Camber kit...do i REALLY need it?

[madness86gti]

I have a 04 GLI 1.8t.

I have 18x8, (same size as stock bbs), TSW Kyalami's and HnR Cupkit with a 1.75 b and 2.00 f inch drop.

It looks like my back wheels are angling out. from the bottom out/ top in.
am i just seeing things or should i look into a camber kit?

any suggestion?:confused:

[ncttrnl]

You shouldnt need a camber kit. You have a beam in the rear.

[Schneller]

I have a 04 GLI 1.8t.

I have 18x8, (same size as stock bbs), TSW Kyalami's and HnR Cupkit with a 1.75 b and 2.00 f inch drop.

It looks like my back wheels are angling out. from the bottom out/ top in.
am i just seeing things or should i look into a camber kit?

any suggestion?:confused:

You've got negative camber in the rear, it's normal, and desired.

[daygoVR6]

depending on the drop you might need one for the front ...BUT any competitent alignement shop should be able to get you sorted if you have a 1.5 or less drop...anything beyond that and you might need one to bring everything back into alignment due to the angle that is placed on parts ...typically anything beyond 2 inches is where you need something like this on a DUB (i.e. you are running coil overs).....if you need an alignment call my shop AJ USA and speak with Greg in serivce 858-452-8900, tell him Brad reffered you or check out Clarence Brown Alignment in Kearny Mesa

[Skwurlz]

I have -2 degree's up front and almost -4 degrees in the rear.

The back looks like a lowered swing axle beetle. And handles bitchen.

- camber is good.

[Schneller]

depending on the drop you might need one for the front ...BUT any competitent alignement shop should be able to get you sorted if you have a 1.5 or less drop...anything beyond that and you might need one to bring everything back into alignment due to the angle that is placed on parts ...typically anything beyond 2 inches is where you need something like this on a DUB (i.e. you are running coil overs).....if you need an alignment call my shop AJ USA and speak with Greg in serivce 858-452-8900, tell him Brad reffered you or check out Clarence Brown Alignment in Kearny Mesa


"It looks like my back wheels are angling out...."

RTFQ.

[madness86gti]

oh fosho, gracias muchachos!
well i was told that neg. camber is bad, well pretty much any neg or pos is bad, since the tires wont be running flat on the ground and so forth.

what do u guys think or know as fact?

thanx for the number datgoVR6!

[daygoVR6]

are you auto crossing the car or just using it for street driving?

[Schneller]

oh fosho, gracias muchachos!
well i was told that neg. camber is bad, well pretty much any neg or pos is bad, since the tires wont be running flat on the ground and so forth.

what do u guys think or know as fact?

thanx for the number datgoVR6!

Your car runs negative camber stock, especially in the rear. Reason being: mid corner, your car will roll at least a little, which will press the tire down onto the road surface flat, giving you, ideally, optimal contact patch.

If you're serious about handling though, you're going to need spindles, to correct the front end geometry. A camber kit will only correct your camber, not the A-arm geometry problem that comes with dropping a MkIV car.

[madness86gti]

alright. naw autocrossing i dont do. sometimes ill do some street drag racing once in a goodwhile. but mostly, daily driver, bad freeways, rolling slow to see the rucas and what not.lol.
but i guess i just need a good ol aligntment and go from there.
thanx locos!

[Skwurlz]

Yeah, I probaly run more negative camber than I need to, but it looks sick.

[ncttrnl]

Yeah, I probaly run more negative camber than I need to, but it looks sick.

How did you change your rear camber?

[Skwurlz]

camber shims.

-1 degree -.5 degree stacked up. It's sandwiches between the spindle and trailing arm.

Eurosport carries 'em.

[Carlos]

are you guys bending the axle beam?? these are a one piece axle.

[memorylasts]

well for the front drop spindles you can go to http://www.h2sport.com/... (http://www.h2sport.com/products.php?productid=203) these are the stage 1 spindles. You will have to call them and do a current currency conversion and what not and have them shipped. They are located in canada.

[Schneller]

well for the front drop spindles you can go to http://www.h2sport.com/... (http://www.h2sport.com/products.php?productid=203) these are the stage 1 spindles. You will have to call them and do a current currency conversion and what not and have them shipped. They are located in canada.
:tup: :tup: :tup:

[ncttrnl]

are you guys bending the axle beam?? these are a one piece axle.

Thats why we're telling him he doesn't need a camber kit for the rear and why I was confused by the guy that changed his rear camber.

I don't think anyone is bending anything... at least I hope they're not.

[Carlos]

Thats why we're telling him he doesn't need a camber kit for the rear and why I was confused by the guy that changed his rear camber.

I don't think anyone is bending anything... at least I hope they're not.they probably think they are still driving their lowered civics or like the accord pics floating around here from the middle east. LoL.:D

[Skwurlz]

they probably think they are still driving their lowered civics or like the accord pics floating around here from the middle east. LoL.

Actually I did it because it makes the rear look like an old swing axle type III fastback, and allows for better cornering ability.

Tke a look at some 911 porsche's next time there one in the parking lot. The rear wheels are definetly not parallel.

Think what you want, but my car will keep up with most motorcycles on the second stretch of Mullholland. :tup:

Also your not bending the rear beam. The rear spindles bolt to the rear beam with 4 bolts. To adjust rear camber, there are shims that you can order from Eurosport to place between the beam and the spindle.

Some guys use these as well when running staggered wheels as the negative camber will help with rubbing issues.

[Carlos]

i meant if you guys were bending the axle beam or stub axle by hitting potholes or curbs and correcting alignment with shims. i am also well aware that vw does not recommend the use of shims. did you know you are changing the airgap from the abs ring to the sensor? your abs may not function correctly/properly as you might need it around a turn and cause you to eat crap. if you add too much negative camber you will have less contact patch on the road as well. good luck to you and no offense. :tup:

[ncttrnl]

Actually I did it because it makes the rear look like an old swing axle type II fastback, and allows for better cornering ability.

Tke a look at some 911 porsche's next time there one in the parking lot. The rear wheels are definetly not parallel.

Think what you want, but my car will keep up with most motorcycles on the second stretch of Mullholland. :tup:

Also your not bending the rear beam. The rear spindles bolt to the rear beam with 4 bolts. To adjust rear camber, there are shims that you can order from Eurosport to place between the beam and the spindle.

Some guys use these as well when running staggered wheels as the negative camber will help with rubbing issues.

We don't doubt the need for negative camber and we know the suspension pieces back there. Its just that the majority of people don't touch it so its surprising when people are adjusting it or trying to adjust it.

We're not knocking your setup at all. Just poking fun at some recently posted pics of a Honda in the UAE that had double digit camber in the rear while we were on the subject.

[Skwurlz]

i meant if you guys were bending the axle beam or stub axle by hitting potholes or curbs and correcting alignment with shims. i am also well aware that vw does not recommend the use of shims. did you know you are changing the airgap from the abs ring to the sensor? your abs may not function correctly/properly as you might need it around a turn and cause you to eat crap. if you add too much negative camber you will have less contact patch on the road as well. good luck to you and no offense. :tup:

The ABS ring is attatched to the spindle assembly, not the beam. Your just spacing out the spindle from the beam.

It doesn't affect ABS at all. The - camber isn't excessive, and it actually allows more contact patch in corners.