More iPhone Drama

[TOYr32]

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/07/why-was-iphones.html
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Story notes:
~ Apple iPhone battery to last approximately 300-400 charge cycles.
~ Battery is sealed in iPhone Case, only replaceable by Apple.
~ Apple to Charge $79 to replace battery. This includes prepaid freight to and from Apple.
~ iPhone rental will be made available for $29
~ Consumers upset that Apple withheld Battery Replacement Info to Reviewers.

[wrongbeach]

I love my mac but hate my ipod so there was no way i was going to buy one but that really really sucks.

[NaKoRuRu]

ha ha ha, stupid apple, how can they not tell people? how can they not make the battery replaceable on the fly. all other "lesser" phones can, yet this "highly sophisticated" phone can't do something so simple?

[TOYr32]

ha ha ha, stupid apple, how can they not tell people? how can they not make the battery replaceable on the fly. all other "lesser" phones can, yet this "highly sophisticated" phone can't do something so simple?

I like how people are comparing it to other phones and saying that it's only $20 more for a new battery. But they are missing the whole part about either being without a phone during the replacement time that Apple needs to do, or spending another @ $29 to get a rental (with someone else's face grease all over it)

[NaKoRuRu]

$29 to get a rental (with someone else's face grease all over it)

Ewwww!!! Thats right huh??? Jesse would know all about that... yuck!

[ncttrnl]

ha ha ha, stupid apple, how can they not tell people? how can they not make the battery replaceable on the fly. all other "lesser" phones can, yet this "highly sophisticated" phone can't do something so simple?

But if it had a removable battery the back wouldn't be so smooth. Lets be honest here. Do you want a normal battery interrupting the flow of your shiny chrome? I think not. :p

[NaKoRuRu]

but are you forgetting? that its main purpose is to be a phone!? im just saying thats all... and if you are wondering yea i don't like apple.

[Damon]

But if it had a removable battery the back wouldn't be so smooth. Lets be honest here. Do you want a normal battery interrupting the flow of your shiny chrome? I think not. :p

but are you forgetting? that its main purpose is to be a phone!? im just saying thats all... and if you are wondering yea i don't like apple.

He was being sarcastic.

[speedi]

oh well - I sill like my iphone..

[Agent Orange]

oh well - I sill like my iphone..
6 months from now he'll be throwing it out the window yelling "BYAAAAAHHH!!!"

[Cicada]

Byahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~!

[GTi_01]

rofl. any person that come to the store asking me about that phone, i shatter their hopes and dreams. oh, and they walk out with service from us on a treo 755, or something else heh..
not a single customer has something to say good about the iphone after i tell them so many negatives.. ^.^

[jwill'sMK4]

u like to crush dreams?

[NaKoRuRu]

He was being sarcastic.

yea i know, me too.

[jwill'sMK4]

yo face

[TOYr32]

6 months from now he'll be throwing it out the window yelling "BYAAAAAHHH!!!"

Byahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~!

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[paultakeda]

300-400 charge cycles probably means full charge cycle, so if the phone is designed to last 10 days on standby, that sounds like a typical usage cycle would be to charge the phone every 2-3 days when the power meter's at 30%. That sounds like five years.

If the battery can last five years, then it's a non-issue. If a number of batteries turn up faulty or defective or lose charge earlier than designated, enjoy the media maelstrom.

Assuming the battery is not prone to early failure, then this is not a ding against the iPhone. There are significant enough dings as it is, seeing as it has no Exchange sync/push mail, making it useless for business applications. It has Class 10 EDGE, no G3, meaning you're pushing it at around 128kbps, making the browser slow as molasses. It has no GPS, making it less road-warrior worthy. It has no Voice Command, the greatest gift to the Windows Mobile phone (this is not recorded voice action, it actually understands you when you say "Dial 3105551212" or "What are my appointments?" without prerecording). And for some, a touchscreen keyboard means a greasy screen with no tactile feedback (we like it when a button gives when pushed, it's a physical response to a physical action). Those are far bigger issues as they lack a feature many power PDA phone users are used to. That said, for the Motor RAZR crowd, it'll be just dandy. Maybe not PDA phone prices $600 dandy, but dandy.

[TOYr32]

300-400 charge cycles probably means full charge cycle, so if the phone is designed to last 10 days on standby, that sounds like a typical usage cycle would be to charge the phone every 2-3 days when the power meter's at 30%. That sounds like five years.

If the battery can last five years, then it's a non-issue. If a number of batteries turn up faulty or defective or lose charge earlier than designated, enjoy the media maelstrom.

Assuming the battery is not prone to early failure, then this is not a ding against the iPhone. There are significant enough dings as it is, seeing as it has no Exchange sync/push mail, making it useless for business applications. It has Class 10 EDGE, no G3, meaning you're pushing it at around 128kbps, making the browser slow as molasses. It has no GPS, making it less road-warrior worthy. It has no Voice Command, the greatest gift to the Windows Mobile phone (this is not recorded voice action, it actually understands you when you say "Dial 3105551212" or "What are my appointments?" without prerecording). And for some, a touchscreen keyboard means a greasy screen with no tactile feedback (we like it when a button gives when pushed, it's a physical response to a physical action). Those are far bigger issues as they lack a feature many power PDA phone users are used to. That said, for the Motor RAZR crowd, it'll be just dandy. Maybe not PDA phone prices $600 dandy, but dandy.

I think the biggest issue will be, just as the ipod. People won't wait for the phone to die, they will leave it plugged in. Especially if they use their phone as their music player also. Must car adapters are constant power. So while your driving, your Ipod is charging, which would most likely inturn create an issue with battery life. That is where I think the issue will come up with the battery. Like most cell phones. If you charge it toooo much, the battery goes bad. But with most cell phones you can go buy a $30 replacement and change it yourself.

[paultakeda]

Being Li-Ion, overcharging isn't really an issue (overcharging a Li-Ion will kill it permanently the first time you do it).

[FunkTron]

forget it all and get the Nokia N95 ;)

[TOYr32]

Being Li-Ion, overcharging isn't really an issue (overcharging a Li-Ion will kill it permanently the first time you do it).

So I remember reading something about LI-Ion that most people don't realize. If you have an older battery, it will last a shorter life then a new battery . . . duh right. But . . . a battery that is newer, and stays charged to full all the time loses a large percentage of it's capacity during a years time, like 25%. That is why Ipods died to fast. This was stored at room temperature full. Well at higher temps the permanent capacity loss is increased.

So my point of people plugging their ipods into their car and leaving them there . . . Imagine an ipod constantly at full capacity, and left in a car that gets upwards of 120 degrees. That would kill the battery a lot faster then the intended charge and discharge and charge use. So I'm wondering if the same thing will ultimately happen to the iphone.

Edit: This is quoted from Wikipedia
A unique drawback of the Li-ion battery is that its life span is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless of whether it was charged, and not just on the number of charge/discharge cycles. So an older battery will not last as long as a new battery due solely to its age, unlike other batteries. This drawback is not widely publicised.[6]

At a 100% charge level, a typical Li-ion laptop battery that is full most of the time at 25 degrees Celsius or 77 degrees Fahrenheit will irreversibly lose approximately 20% capacity per year. However, a battery stored inside a poorly ventilated laptop may be subject to a prolonged exposure to much higher temperatures than 25 °C, which will significantly shorten its life. The capacity loss begins from the time the battery was manufactured, and occurs even when the battery is unused. Different storage temperatures produce different loss results: 6% loss at 0 °C(32 °F), 20% at 25 °C(77 °F), and 35% at 40 °C(104 °F). When stored at 40% charge level, these figures are reduced to 2%, 4%, 15% at 0, 25 and 40 degrees Celsius respectively.[7]

[paultakeda]

1. Constantly charging a Li-Ion does not kill it. Li-Ions do not heat up when charging like NiMH.
2. Li-Ion batteries degrade over time regardless of how many charge cycles. NiMH life spans are dependent on charge cycles.
3. Exposing a Li-Ion to high heat shortens its life span.
4. An iPod left inside a car is the same as a laptop plugged into the wall: the high heat will kill the battery.

You have quoted everything correctly, but your comment that charging a Li-Ion too much is what kills it is incorrect.

iPhones will never reach such high temperatures at prolonged intervals because you never run an iPhone like an iPod or laptop. The battery will suffer as much as trauma as any other cell phone battery, which means you can expect about five years service provided the battery is not defective and you do not expose it to high heat.