F-22 Raptor Flight Demo

[TOYr32]

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[JETTAone420]

god forbid it to ever happen...but id sooo like to see our navy & AF get into some real-time combat in the air with all the kick ass fighters we got now

[URQ]

Should B called F22 glider

[Bimmer Pilot]

Serious Gs

[TOYr32]

I saw a documentary, and it was interviewing some f-18 pilots that were dogfighting with f-22's. They said that the jet was incredibly maneuverable, but even when they did have a good shot, their radar had a hard time locking onto the targets, which gave the f-22 more then enough time to evade!!

[Paul]

There aren't that many F22's in service still. The F15E is still dominant over all hostile nations fighters as far as air superioritygoes. It'll be a sad day when the Eagles are retired. The F15E's payload is phenominal. Sure it doesn't have supercruise or stealth, but it's fast and plenty of payload in a mutil-mission role.

The F22 is damn nice though.

Still if I could have just 1 plane it'd be the A10. Slow, steady, and almost impossible to shoot out of the sky. Oh and the Gau-8 doesn't hurt either ;)

[Rento_VW]

I heard the F-22 can target like 10 more targets than the F-18 Super Hornets?

[JETTAone420]

hey can the rapter use fire& forget missles since it has multi targeting?

btw...im a nerd id so take an A10 anyday because its like a modified y-wing from star wars gyaaaAA

[Rento_VW]

I believe so. They just target, lock on, fire, and bail. That's what most missiles are capable of doing nowadays.

However, about the umm A-10 Warthog. I have a little Revel Snap Titie model of the A-10 Warthog that sits atop my CRT monitor that I( don't use. One of my favorite planes because of it's scatter bombs and Phalnax type gun on the front.

[Agent Orange]

Still if I could have just 1 plane it'd be the A10.

X2!! I'd still take a Phantom as well. Something about the F4E is just nice

[slowjet]

X2!! I'd still take a Phantom as well. Something about the F4E is just nice

i hate those damn things, they're flying bricks. For every foot they fly forward, they drop three. The F-22 is an amazing piece of technology. The way it combines RAM and structure, its the next best thing since the F-117 Nighthawk was first introduced. Id choose this aircraft over anything fixed wing the USAF has to offer, unless they come out with something better. This will undoubtedly become the next air superiority multi-role aircraft of the future. :tup2:

[CALL AAA]

X2!! I'd still take a Phantom as well. Something about the F4E is just nice
The noise.
The fuel consumption.
The complete defiance of the laws of physics.
The fact that it proves that you can make anything fly, if you squeeze enough thrust out of it.

[SYNYSTAGLI]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1994695142386399860

the russians look like can play as well....what jet is this?

[Schneller]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1994695142386399860

the russians look like can play as well....what jet is this?

Su-37.

Damn, I remember when the Raptor first took to the air, I was still in highschool! And it's only NOW getting to active duty!?!?! We need another cold war to accelerate our weapons programs! :D

I'd still take the Tomcat over anything else, hands down, no argument, end of story.

[TOYr32]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1994695142386399860

the russians look like can play as well....what jet is this?

I think it can definitley play . . . we do have to hope our pilots would have an edge in skills . . . but we definitley to have an edge with stealth.

First shot, usually means first kill. And with long range missles I think the F-22 would see the Russians before they even knew we were there.

Plus what I said earlier with the f-18 pilots, they had a very hard time getting a lock.

So I think we are still safe . . . for now!!

[SYNYSTAGLI]

I would think that those slow maneuvers would make them easier targets anyway...unless maybe in close quarter action???

[JETTAone420]

ahhh wtf so is that all pilot skills or plane engineering that keeps it from stalling making deadzone drops like that???

[GtIrOb01]

saw this in person a few months back at the Eglin airshow

http://media.socialurl.com/photo/99/3899/6530/219471_large.jpg

Also saw the new F35.

http://media.socialurl.com/photo/99/3899/6530/219474_large.jpg

About an hour drive from where I work, down in Panama City (Tyndall AFB) is where they train the new Raptor pilots. So you can see them flying almost around the clock!

[GtIrOb01]

ahhh wtf so is that all pilot skills or plane engineering that keeps it from stalling making deadzone drops like that???

Computers and vectored thrust!

[scottd1975]

I would think that those slow maneuvers would make them easier targets anyway...unless maybe in close quarter action???

those slow maneuvers are to counter act what the Russian mig can do inflight during dogfights... its our answere to there aircraft ...

[scottd1975]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9fJDwgrYi8

i cant embed videos

[JETTAone420]

hhaha scott....youtube/sce pwnded u!

[GtIrOb01]

gotta admit, the Russians have come up with some pretty amazing aircraft. Anyone seen the latest? Su-47

http://www.sukhoi.org/img/gallery/wallpaper/SU-47_1601.jpg

Gotta say, the old Tomcat is still my favorite by a longshot.

[JETTAone420]

once again...

the tomcat is like the x-wing!! they both can expand and retract their wings! ahah it rules!

[slowjet]

yeah, but what good is that if they can see your ass coming along, even hear you...

[scottd1975]

how do i embed the image?

[TOYr32]

Soooo . . . To start . . .

Those meneuvers are just showing of the electronics and power behind the jet.

Computers have paved the way to making specific planes fly that would normally be unable to fly. The F-117 wouldn't be able to fly unless the computer were constantly changing the surface area to fly.

If you ever fly on a commercial jet and sit over the wing, you can see how computers help create a better surface area for lift by watching the small flaps over the wing change when your landing.

Traditionally on an older jet you would have a single flap. now you have multiple flaps and aerlerones (sp?)

They say the biggest thing about a dogfight is spotting your target before they spot you. The Raptor has an obvious edge over any other fighter because of stealth.

Everyone mentions sound. As Socalers I'm sure many have seen the bluse angels. Seeing the jet before you here it (faster then the speed of sound), The F-22 recently did tests with a new missle so that it is able to deploy a missle while traveling faster then the speed of sound. If this improves, imagine if it is able to drop bombs also. You would liiterlaly see the Jet, and possiblly get blown up before you even hear it.

I think it's like any other competition out there. There is always a possibility of losing. But the airforce it trying to provide the most advance tools to prevent that.

It's like pitting a 2 of the same car in a drag race. It becomes all the driver. But take one of those cars and do every performance enhancment you can think of, and it shoud be a no brainer . . . unless the driver of that faster car stall on the line. What the hell am I talking about . . . I'm not sure where I was going with that.

Anyways, You guys can have your A-10's anf f-14's, but I'll be blowing you up miles away without you even knowing I'm in your airspace!! :D

[Schneller]

Computers and vectored thrust!

...and a power to weight ratio above unity...

In close quarters dog fighting though, guns are what kill, not missiles...

It all depends on the individual situation, but western pilots are known to have superior training...

[Schneller]

Soooo . . . To start . . .

Those meneuvers are just showing of the electronics and power behind the jet.

Computers have paved the way to making specific planes fly that would normally be unable to fly. The F-117 wouldn't be able to fly unless the computer were constantly changing the surface area to fly.

If you ever fly on a commercial jet and sit over the wing, you can see how computers help create a better surface area for lift by watching the small flaps over the wing change when your landing.

Traditionally on an older jet you would have a single flap. now you have multiple flaps and aerlerones (sp?)

They say the biggest thing about a dogfight is spotting your target before they spot you. The Raptor has an obvious edge over any other fighter because of stealth.

Everyone mentions sound. As Socalers I'm sure many have seen the bluse angels. Seeing the jet before you here it (faster then the speed of sound), The F-22 recently did tests with a new missle so that it is able to deploy a missle while traveling faster then the speed of sound. If this improves, imagine if it is able to drop bombs also. You would liiterlaly see the Jet, and possiblly get blown up before you even hear it.

I think it's like any other competition out there. There is always a possibility of losing. But the airforce it trying to provide the most advance tools to prevent that.

It's like pitting a 2 of the same car in a drag race. It becomes all the driver. But take one of those cars and do every performance enhancment you can think of, and it shoud be a no brainer . . . unless the driver of that faster car stall on the line. What the hell am I talking about . . . I'm not sure where I was going with that.

Anyways, You guys can have your A-10's anf f-14's, but I'll be blowing you up miles away without you even knowing I'm in your airspace!! :D


Ailerons:inboard and outboard are what you'll see moving up and down continuously during flight, keeping the aircraft steady, and helping it to maneuver.

Flaps are only for elongating the chord of the wing; making it larger, for slower maneuvers, such as landing and takeoff; they effectively lower the stall speed of the airframe.

And during landing, what you're seeing on top of the wing are called spoilers (they spoil the airflow over the wing, and hence drop the plane out of the sky some).

You gotta remember, the F-14 had fire and forget from several hundred miles out capability back in 1972 with the AIM-54 Phoenix missile/AWG-9 weapons system. It's technology was largely th precursor to todays stand-off capabilities in aircraft such as the F-22 - and that was 35 years ago!

Respect your roots!

:tup:

[scottd1975]

F14 Ftmfw!!!!!!!!!

[CALL AAA]

An A-1 Skyraider just flew over my house. Anyone else see/hear that?

[RollinInGreenz]

Ailerons:inboard and outboard are what you'll see moving up and down continuously during flight, keeping the aircraft steady, and helping it to maneuver.

Flaps are only for elongating the chord of the wing; making it larger, for slower maneuvers, such as landing and takeoff; they effectively lower the stall speed of the airframe.

And during landing, what you're seeing on top of the wing are called spoilers (they spoil the airflow over the wing, and hence drop the plane out of the sky some).


:tup:

you saved me a lot of typing.

of course, you didn't even touch on flaperons, elevons, spoilerons, or canards...

[fcastle]

There aren't that many F22's in service still. The F15E is still dominant over all hostile nations fighters as far as air superioritygoes. It'll be a sad day when the Eagles are retired. The F15E's payload is phenominal. Sure it doesn't have supercruise or stealth, but it's fast and plenty of payload in a mutil-mission role.

The F22 is damn nice though.

Still if I could have just 1 plane it'd be the A10. Slow, steady, and almost impossible to shoot out of the sky. Oh and the Gau-8 doesn't hurt either ;)

Only if you paint it blue. Cobra Rattler FTW!!

[Cicada]

this thread makes me wanna watch top gun.

[RollinInGreenz]

this thread makes me wanna watch top gun.

http://web.mit.edu/mitflying/top-gun.jpg

[CALL AAA]

Tom Cruise in a flight jacket with his sleeves and his collar up?
If you listen closely, you can hear my eyes rolling.

Do a search for Top Gun on Youtube. You will find some funny stuff about Top Gun, cutting out all but the true plot of the movie.

[scottd1975]

i hate top gun its so fake... he doesnt even wear the same patches through the movie. i cant stand that fucking movie

[Schneller]

you saved me a lot of typing.

of course, you didn't even touch on flaperons, elevons, spoilerons, or canards...

....I could touch on those too, but then we'd have a thread full of sleepy car geeks :)

How can anyone hate TOP GUN!?!?!?! Scott, you're lame!!!

:bump:

[Monster8V]

i hate top gun its so fake... he doesnt even wear the same patches through the movie. i cant stand that fucking movie


WOW, I had NO idea you paid ANY attention to detail about anything. :D

Or is it just a movie thing with you? :eek:

[Monster8V]

gotta admit, the Russians have come up with some pretty amazing aircraft. Anyone seen the latest? Su-47

http://www.sukhoi.org/img/gallery/wallpaper/SU-47_1601.jpg


Seen it back in 1984 when it was called the X-29 flown by the Dryden Flight Research team at Edwards AFB.

http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/X-29/Medium/EC90-039-4.jpg


The Russians came up with very little by way of engineering or technology. What they did have, they stole from the USA. Dont be so quick to give the Russians so much credit.

[CALL AAA]

I'm with Scott on this one.
Hot Shots was just as believable and Valeria Golino is just as hot as Kelly McGillis.
That's probably gonna cause an agrument, huh?

[protijy337]

Damn, I remember when the Raptor first took to the air, I was still in highschool! And it's only NOW getting to active duty!?!?!



thats why they are only gonna make like 300..... F-35 JSF will be in the field in a year or two that is a cool plane (one varient is a replacement for the Hairier) :tup:



For me its all about the Drones ;)

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/30/mq9.jpg