CNN: Mistake costs dishwasher $59,000

[BLACK 1.8T]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/immigrant.money/index.html

[fcastle]

Several issues.

They have pay stubs from employers who hired an ILLEGAL ALIEN. These companies need to be prosecuted for violations they commited.

The ILLEGAL ALIEN needs to be deported.

His money should be returned to him minus taxes and penalties from the IRS and any fine associated with any laws broken.

[oc-audica]

that's crazy how much can be saved up when you earn so little!

thats what my mom did back in the day - she turned he savings in to 20k and got our first house (with my dad yea but he can't save a dime!)

here i am - well off on my pay and i live check to check!


anyways... fuck the feds!!

[oc-audica]

Several issues.

They have pay stubs from employers who hired an ILLEGAL ALIEN. These companies need to be prosecuted for violations they commited.

The ILLEGAL ALIEN needs to be deported.

His money should be returned to him minus taxes and penalties from the IRS and any fine associated with any laws broken.

i love how you take the negative and roll with it :tdown:

and i take the positive and roll with it :tup:


Happy Friday!

[01rdGOLF]

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

I'm sorry, but that is what he gets!

I am actually happy that shit happened. People think that you can just come to this country Illegally, work, not pay taxes, cheat every other WORKING, LEGAL, TAX PAYING person in this country, and expect the law to be on your side. He seems surprised that they took his money,
They tried being fair, giving him 10 G's but greedy ass mofo had to ask for it all.
I hate people like that. I came to this country with NOTHING. I came legally, went to school, had PLENTY of jobs, and pay my fucking taxes.
Send this fucker home already. :mad: :tdown:

[ncttrnl]

I say tax his income accordingly and give him whatever is left.

He is expected to pay taxes on his earnings and he should. Whatever is surplus should be his.

If his tax bill is over 59K, the IRS should spell that out so people know they aren't just taking his money.

His immigration status is a separate issue. He's illegal and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of his dufflebag full of cash. One thing should not affect the other.

[JETTAone420]

for the people that have been here illegally for like 10years ++ let them stay...

for the ones who have just recently boated their way here i say give them teh boot. yea it might suck and all but in all honesty its just gonna make it worse for us that are here in the long run

[fcastle]

I say tax his income accordingly and give him whatever is left.

He is expected to pay taxes on his earnings and he should. Whatever is surplus should be his.

If his tax bill is over 59K, the IRS should spell that out so people know they aren't just taking his money.

His immigration status is a separate issue. He's illegal and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of his dufflebag full of cash. One thing should not affect the other.

EXACTLY!!

[fcastle]

i love how you take the negative and roll with it :tdown:

and i take the positive and roll with it :tup:


Happy Friday!

It's not negative, it's the truth. I just took the pro illegal alien spin off of the story.

Their version: Look they are picking on a poor dishwasher.

Reality: A man was found to be in violation of Federal law in the airport. This man was subsequently found to be a tax evader, and an illegal alien. End of story.

This sort of thing happens all the time. There have been stories on the news of people who weren't even leaving the country and the Feds took their cash, called them dealers and took them thru hell. There's even a county in the south that's notorious for that shit. They pull over people on vacation or on business w/cash. Confiscate it as drug money and then settle w/you for less. It's the world we live in.

[TOYr32]

Several issues.

They have pay stubs from employers who hired an ILLEGAL ALIEN. These companies need to be prosecuted for violations they commited.

The ILLEGAL ALIEN needs to be deported.

His money should be returned to him minus taxes and penalties from the IRS and any fine associated with any laws broken.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

I'm sorry, but that is what he gets!

I am actually happy that shit happened. People think that you can just come to this country Illegally, work, not pay taxes, cheat every other WORKING, LEGAL, TAX PAYING person in this country, and expect the law to be on your side. He seems surprised that they took his money,
They tried being fair, giving him 10 G's but greedy ass mofo had to ask for it all.
I hate people like that. I came to this country with NOTHING. I came legally, went to school, had PLENTY of jobs, and pay my fucking taxes.
Send this fucker home already. :mad: :tdown:

I say tax his income accordingly and give him whatever is left.

He is expected to pay taxes on his earnings and he should. Whatever is surplus should be his.

If his tax bill is over 59K, the IRS should spell that out so people know they aren't just taking his money.

His immigration status is a separate issue. He's illegal and should be dealt with accordingly regardless of his dufflebag full of cash. One thing should not affect the other.

for the people that have been here illegally for like 10years ++ let them stay...

for the ones who have just recently boated their way here i say give them teh boot. yea it might suck and all but in all honesty its just gonna make it worse for us that are here in the long run

Just in this thread you can see an example of why immigration laws are so jacked up.

Why can't it be Black and white . . . cause then it might be inhumane.

When you do something illegal, you should get punished.

This guy earned money illegally . . . no different then selling drugs . . . illegal is illegal. Take his money away and deport him . . . done.

WTF . . . someone made a trust fund and donated . . . ohh wow . . . look Father Joe Carole, you've just received a donation for $10,000, God bless those generous dumbasses!! Take away the fund for being stupid and give it to someone that deserves it.

The government offered him a deal of $19,000 and he said no?!?!? Well, at least he learned one American tradition while in our country . . . GREED!

I'm sorry, inhumane or not, I don't feel bad . . . say he's being used as an example . . . as long as they make an example out of every other person they find!!

How did he not know he was supposed to declare anything over $10,000??? It's on the damn paperwork you sign to get in and out of our country and pretty much every other country.:stupid:

But the other side is . . . if he's being honest . . . that sucks for him and his family . . . oh well . . . move on . . . where's the next illegal that thinks he has more rights then I do??

[mike]

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL! Why is it so hard for people to understand this, IMO if you want to come here and work legally, like all of my friends from asia or europe have, great. Illegals cost this country so much fucking money its ridiculous, between crime, unpaid taxes, the money that leaves our country, paying for their kids and their health care, school and unemployment, social security that they milk from stolen SS numbers, (don't try and bullshit me either, I have a friend that use to babysit these kids in school in Compton, they told him how their parents didnt work, had three social security numbers and pick them up from school in an Escalade) or they collect unemployment here while they work in another state, and then swap back and forth. BS. I say take his money, take his taxes, SS out and give him back what he has left, then on the boat back south.

[01rdGOLF]

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL! Why is it so hard for people to understand this, IMO if you want to come here and work legally, like all of my friends from asia or europe have, great. Illegals cost this country so much fucking money its ridiculous, between crime, unpaid taxes, the money that leaves our country, paying for their kids and their health care, school and unemployment, social security that they milk from stolen SS numbers, (don't try and bullshit me either, I have a friend that use to babysit these kids in school in Compton, they told him how their parents didnt work, had three social security numbers and pick them up from school in an Escalade) or they collect unemployment here while they work in another state, and then swap back and forth. BS. I say take his money, take his taxes, SS out and give him back what he has left, then on the boat back south.



AMEN BROVA!! :tup2:

[RollinInGreenz]

See, if he had just entered the country legally, he would have seen what it takes to get through U.S. Customs....

which brings me to a question I've got burning within me: It'd be one thing if these were people seeking asylum from religious persecution or ethnic cleansing...but they're people just like any American who are trying to do everything they can to make a little bit better of a life for themselves and their families...however...they're doing it illegally...and what I can't figure out for the life of me is why, knowing the risks inherent, do they continue to immigrate illegally into this country when there is a 100% legal process by which you can become an American Citizen, and as such gain all of our inalieable rights. Someone, help me here...

oh, and it says that "when he learned to do more, he earned a 25 cent raise"...FUUUUUUUCK THAT NOISE! I started my current job at $X.00 an hour, almost 2 years ago, and since then, raises totaling 32 cents have been bestowed upon me.

let me tell you, I work a lot harder than some fucking dish-monkey, and you bet your ass my boss is going to hear about it come Monday!

[madajb]

I say tax his income accordingly and give him whatever is left.

He is expected to pay taxes on his earnings and he should. Whatever is surplus should be his.

If his tax bill is over 59K, the IRS should spell that out so people know they aren't just taking his money.

The IRS didn't seize his money, Customs did, because he didn't declare it as required.
It would be interesting to know exactly when he has to declare the money, since he was leaving the country, and I can't recall every going through Customs on the way _out_.

-ajb

[mario]

he prob didn't declare the money because he didn't know. (as he stated).

give the man his money back and let him return home in peace....he doesn't want anything other than to return home and lead his life...US gov't should be happy (as all you anti-illegal immigrant ppl)

[ncttrnl]

The IRS didn't seize his money, Customs did, because he didn't declare it as required.
It would be interesting to know exactly when he has to declare the money, since he was leaving the country, and I can't recall every going through Customs on the way _out_.

-ajb

They hinted that was one reason they are keeping his money.

What's kinda crappy is that customs is well within its right to keep the money if its undeclared by their rules. Pretty much anything undeclared is subject to potential forfeiture.

You would think that they would have just said "Hey, fill out this form" and let him go though. It sounds like he cooperated and his story checked out.

[paultakeda]

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

I'm sorry, but that is what he gets!

I am actually happy that shit happened. People think that you can just come to this country Illegally, work, not pay taxes, cheat every other WORKING, LEGAL, TAX PAYING person in this country, and expect the law to be on your side. He seems surprised that they took his money,
They tried being fair, giving him 10 G's but greedy ass mofo had to ask for it all.
I hate people like that. I came to this country with NOTHING. I came legally, went to school, had PLENTY of jobs, and pay my fucking taxes.
Send this fucker home already. :mad: :tdown:

1. Work is work. The employer who hired him has more to do with him being here than he does. Exploiting the illegal immigrant class is how we have cheap produce and labor. You are forfeiting his wages simply because an American citizen decided to cheat the government by hiring an illegal immigrant. Yeah, I'd reserve my braying like a donkey for something more amusing.

2. Customs took his money because he did not declare it. They are keeping it because, as an illegal immigrant, it will be difficult for him to get it back. A tourist might do the same thing by accident and have the same problem. Customs essentially stole his money. You are supporting Customs' robbery of a man's money simply because he is not an American citizen and because you are confusing point 1 with point 2.

As mentioned, return his earnings sans taxes. Allow him to get the trust money sans taxes. With all hs pay stubs, you can now fine or prosecute every restaurant in which he has ever worked, though this part is petty, since I will guarantee you that you will never be able to dine out anywhere except perhaps in the Mexican part of town as all the restaurants will shut down from high labor costs employing at minimum wage.

The ignorance as to why illegal immigration exists and is supported by business owners behind board room doors while voraciously and vehemently opposed when outside them, fomenting hate for a group of human beings who are by and large only trying to make a better life for themselves and willing to do honest work for far less than what is legally allowed, is just plain sad.

[paultakeda]

To anyone inspired to hate concerning illegal immigration:

They stop coming if people stop employing them. The best solution is not to build a three foot tall fence and think yourself a patriot. The best solution is if the jobs dried up, best done by passing laws with exceedingly expensive fines for hiring a illegal imigrants... people go where the jobs are. It won't matter how strict the laws are or how high the walls climb, if there's a job, they'll come.

That you want to hate the person coming here because they are promised work if they can just get here is irrational. It is also how government and big business can continue to profit as they claim they want to stop illegal immigration. The illegal immigrant is a scapegoat who, if removed from this society, will turn this economy upside down. You are a sheep and you are blind to the obvious truth. We need them because our labor laws make citizens too expensive to hire. Those labor laws created to protect the poor migrant worker are now the very laws that have caused illegal immigrant labor, because business will always look for the best way to make a profit.

[TOYr32]

1. Work is work. The employer who hired him has more to do with him being here than he does. Exploiting the illegal immigrant class is how we have cheap produce and labor. You are forfeiting his wages simply because an American citizen decided to cheat the government by hiring an illegal immigrant. Yeah, I'd reserve my braying like a donkey for something more amusing.

Meh . . . I agree with the employer part . . . but cheap labor? I don't entirely agree with that.

Its all relative. If we didn't have cheap laborers, stuff would definitley cost more . . . but . . . the government would also be forced to pay you more.

I live in Norcal and make more doing the same job as someone from socal. Cost of living is more, so wages are more.

Hawaii charged like $8 for a gallon of milk, but wages are way more in Hawaii.

So even if labor and produce was more expensive, it wouldn't make a difference, cause people would be making more also.

But I do agree that employers should be prosecuted but I have an example that will probably hit home with some people.

Since 9-11 there cracking down on Employers by triple checking SS#'s. But this takes a lot of time and sometimes doesn't get noticed til many years later.

For example: I worked for Tweeter for over 5 years, there is a particular former SCE member that worked for us and about a year later, we fired him because he was working under an invalid SS#. He payed taxes and abided by all the laws, but was still not working legally. So where does that leave Tweeter? (Besides bankrupt :D) Do you fine them for not having the proper tools or support to check SS#'s?

[christian18t]

its as simple as no ssn no job that would stop the problem. but no thats not how it is in america. now i dont know about you but i would also do some illegal stuff if my family would be dying of hunger and all the legal options were useless.

[Bierbau]

For example: I worked for Tweeter for over 5 years, there is a particular former SCE member that worked for us and about a year later, we fired him because he was working under an invalid SS#. He payed taxes and abided by all the laws, but was still not working legally. So where does that leave Tweeter? (Besides bankrupt :D) Do you fine them for not having the proper tools or support to check SS#'s?

Proper tools or support to check a SS#, so easy a caveman can do it.http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnv.htm

[madajb]

You would think that they would have just said "Hey, fill out this form" and let him go though. It sounds like he cooperated and his story checked out.
Hey, we got a war to pay for here!
=)

-ajb

[madajb]

since I will guarantee you that you will never be able to dine out anywhere except perhaps in the Mexican part of town as all the restaurants will shut down from high labor costs employing at minimum wage.

This is, quite frankly, complete nonsense.
Oregon has minimum wage for restaurant workers and yet we somehow have a thriving food trade.

Does it cost a bit more to eat out? Yes, it certainly does. But the cries of "Industry $x only survives because of illegal labor" are complete bunk, and repeating them only lends credence to the practices used by Big Agriculture/Big Food.

-ajb

[madajb]

Since 9-11 there cracking down on Employers by triple checking SS#'s. But this takes a lot of time and sometimes doesn't get noticed til many years later.

Oh please, you can check up to 10 SSNs online at the SSA website and get the results instantly.
It'd take you all of about 5 minutes.
Hell, you can upload a _quarter of a million_ names and SSNs and get the results back the next business day!
Not verifying your employees is either incompetence or outright criminal.

Do you fine them for not having the proper tools or support to check SS#'s?
Yes. A lot. I'm thinking that employee's estimated wages for the year.

-ajb

[paultakeda]

This is, quite frankly, complete nonsense.
Oregon has minimum wage for restaurant workers and yet we somehow have a thriving food trade.

Does it cost a bit more to eat out? Yes, it certainly does. But the cries of "Industry $x only survives because of illegal labor" are complete bunk, and repeating them only lends credence to the practices used by Big Agriculture/Big Food.

-ajb

Not completely bunk and certainly I was using a bit of hyperbole. But it certainly is a fact that we WILL pay more for services. I have no problem with that. Note that I fully support prosecuting/fining employers who do attempt to employ illegally, so I definitely will have to swallow the bitter pill of paying more for items and services than I am used to.

[Dubbster]

Its funny how so many people could be against illegal immigration, when our country was founded by immigrants who performed illegal acts to be free?

[christian18t]

Its funny how so many people could be against illegal immigration, when our country was founded by immigrants who performed illegal acts to be free?



x2

[fcastle]

I think that since so much of the world constantly disagrees w/what we do. We should (on the idea of illegal immigration) treat their illegal immigrants like they would treat illegals coming into their country. Do unto others... right?

Mexico: God help you as an illegal there. You have no access to any services. that includes school, medical, housing, welfare (you know all the stuff illegals demand here and were supposed to find some miracle money pit to provide). Then you have the police. Ironically their laws are a bit like ours. The regular local police are not obligated to go after immigration violations. Here's the great twist. They do it because they like it! Beatings, rape and murder among immigrants trying into Mexico on their southern border is a way of life. If you don't have enough money to give the cops, well good luck. I have several family friends who are legal citizens who had the unfortunate luck of having relatives try it illegally and reported back the hell they experienced at Mexico's border.

I wonder what it's like to be illegal in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia...

[paultakeda]

So you want to treat illegal immigrants the same as those countries?! I pray we're not that far down that ugly road, because I came to THIS country for something better. Being proud to be an American means squat if all the freedoms and tolerances that make up being an American are destroyed by hatred and fear.

[TOYr32]

So you want to treat illegal immigrants the same as those countries?! I pray we're not that far down that ugly road, because I came to THIS country for something better. Being proud to be an American means squat if all the freedoms and tolerances that make up being an American are destroyed by hatred and fear.

Tolerance? Hmmm . . . I'm not sure if Tolerance means you will be given the same rights as a citizen. I think tolerance is more of the general and global acceptance of immigrants wanting to and living in our country.

I don't want to get Tolerance confused with Expectations, or Abuse of Immigration Laws, or taking advantage of a flawed Immigration System.

I love the fact that we allow immigrants without prejudice, I don't like the fact that immigrants have high expectations and when their expectations are not met, they choose to abuse their "given" rights.

I think this guy should have never been allowed to make any money . . . but the fact that he did, how do you not punish someone for "getting away with it"?

He didn't pay taxes . . . well, he made it illegally, of course he didn't pay taxes . . . should he have taxes deducted . . . at the least.

Should the companies that paid him be fined . . . sure as hell!!

But I think it's kind of like one of those popular things that no one really gets punished for.

Like in Napa . . . I don't think many people get tickets for DUI's . . . though almost 90% of the people driving around on the weekends are probably over the legal limit. If cops cracked down, then people might stop drinking, which would hurt the wineries and of course the overall income of the city.

Not sure if that analogy makes sense, but hopefully you get what I'm implying.

[madajb]

Being proud to be an American means squat if all the freedoms and tolerances that make up being an American are destroyed by hatred and fear.
Well, disregarding the fact that treating recent immigrants poorly is a long-standing American tradition, I think you do a disservice to everyone when you assume that dislike of illegal _immigration_ is hatred of illegal _immigrants_.
I'm sure that most of the people here are able to make the distinction.
It is impossible to have an exchange of ideas when one side instictively screams "racism" and the other always cries "amnesty".

-ajb

[fcastle]

So you want to treat illegal immigrants the same as those countries?! I pray we're not that far down that ugly road, because I came to THIS country for something better. Being proud to be an American means squat if all the freedoms and tolerances that make up being an American are destroyed by hatred and fear.

Last time I checked, freedoms and rights were for law abiding citizens, not criminals, if you're illegal, you're a criminal.

If you steal bread from my store to feed your children, I understand why you did it, but you're still going to jail if you get caught. Why, because I need to SELL that bread to feed MY children.

As far as hating anyone, I choose to hate on an individual basis. Like I hate Lil Wayne, or traffic tickets, or my trashy neighbors, not an entire class of people, that's just ignorant.

Here's the major problems I've seen.

Schools: I went to school for a SHORT minute in costa mesa in the LATE EIGHTIES!! They were already allowing english speaking children to get subpar educations, because of the influx of illegals they had to take in. It's only getting worse.

Medicine: The effect on emergency rooms and health care is ridiculous. Every nurse I know is fed up to the limit w/illegals coming into the ER w/kids that have colds or the flu, because they know they can't be turned away and if they used their medi-cal (welfare we already are providing for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS they would at least have to make some sort of payment. So instead they flood the ER w/bogus SS#'s and claim indigent. While I sit there having paid for myself and them (thru taxes) and wait 6 hours for treatment?!!

Social: Everytime I see these rally's and all this crap about how America is evil and how we are mistreating people. I get sick. If we are the great devil you speak of, you already know where the border is (you snuck across once). Feel free to exit. Asking you to learn English when you come here is not "taking away your culture" WTF is "taking away your culture?" If your culture worked you'd be living there w/it. Don't export your dead way of life here.

People say this is racist, that is racist. They use the word like a security blanket to keep the truth away. Different immigrants (both legal and not) behave differently when they come here.

I have a good friend that came over from Vietnam, when he was 17. He worked w/my Mom at an electronics firm (guys an electrical wizard, pretty amazing to watch). Did he come over and say. Iam not going to conform to your standards, you cater to me? No he busted his ass to learn english and get his credentials for his job and then started his own business. I used to help him on w/his english on weekends and he would fix stuf around the house for us. He now has a successful business and has been able to bring the rest of his family over. THAT's the AMERICAN DREAM, not sneaking in under cover of darkness than bleeding the system dry and sending all the money back to your old country (another fun fact: Money from our economy is Mexicos leading money maker. They need illegal immigrants to keep Mexico running.)

While I'm at it. Why is the damn DMV info in any language except English. If you can't speak english you shouldn't have a license!!

I personally am on the far right side of things. I think we should be doing people like they did at the Berlin wall. Cap in your ass for fucking around at the border. That goes for Canadians too.

Bottom line:
Come here legally.
Get your green card.
Learn English (like every other country expects you to learn their language to become a citizen)
Get a job (now a better one than before because the fucked companies that exploit illegals cant threaten you anymore).
Be happy
The end.

[illusion]

Bottom line:
Come here legally.
Get your green card.
Learn English (like every other country expects you to learn their language to become a citizen)
Get a job (now a better one than before because the fucked companies that exploit illegals cant threaten you anymore).
Be happy
The end.

Awesome. i feel ya bro. And the worst part about it is that our government allows this crap to still go on. if i was to get a hold of a border patrol agent, i could show him thousands of places to find these illegals. then they can just throw them in a van and toss them back. do it legally or dont try at all. The world is different then when the first americans came here, we were stronger and took this land fare and square, even paid people for some of it. if they want it back, bring it on, well win like always.


P.S. Did you know that there are thousands of illegals who own homes on our land, i dont even know how thats possible, but it is, because my girlfriend works for a real estate company who has done this. Bust into those house and round them up.

[huitzi]

we were stronger and took this land fare and square, even paid people for some of it. if they want it back, bring it on, well win like always.

You dont see it??? we're taking it back already;)


P.S. Did you know that there are thousands of illegals who own homes on our land, i dont even know how thats possible, but it is, because my girlfriend works for a real estate company who has done this. Bust into those house and round them up.

hey im one of them!! heres my address 6405 N Walnut ave San Bernardino CA. what are you going to do??

[illusion]

You dont see it??? we're taking it back already;)




hey im one of them!! heres my address 6405 N Walnut ave San Bernardino CA. what are you going to do??


hahaha, im not going to do anything man, youll be taken care of somehow in the future if your still illegal. look what happened to the dish washer. what do you think would happen to all those cars and shit you have if you we deported? So you dont pay taxes either? i hate you. oh and cheaters always crash and burn.

[huitzi]

hahaha, im not going to do anything man, youll be taken care of somehow in the future if your still illegal. look what happened to the dish washer. what do you think would happen to all those cars and shit you have if you we deported? So you dont pay taxes either? i hate you.

yeap, dont pay taxes, all benefits, cars , bikes, houses, boats, send a shit load of $$$$ to my country etc etc etc............btw im using the google translator while i write this because i dont speak any english,,,,yea.........im iving my amarican drem!:)

[illusion]

yeap, dont pay taxes, all benefits, cars , bikes, houses, boats, send a shit load of $$$$ to my country etc etc etc............btw im using the google translator while i write this because i dont speak any english,,,,yea.........im iving my amarican drem!:)


Glad to hear your proud about yourself and what your doin to other people, not intentionally im sure, but you sound pretty confident in not caring about what could happen. live it up then bro. Us legals will continue to pay taxes for people like you so you can live better.:tup:

[huitzi]

its simply, i know illegal is illegal, trying to get a green card and/or becoming an american citizen could take forever and on most cases will be denied, as a family man that have kids that are hungry and dont have a place to stay..... theres not really choice but to come to the US and start doing whatever you need to do give your family a better life, even it its illegal.

[madajb]

trying to get a green card and/or becoming an american citizen could take forever

If you enter this counry legally and reside here legally, you may apply for naturalization after 5 years. It is rarely denied.

-ajb

[TOYr32]

its simply, i know illegal is illegal, trying to get a green card and/or becoming an american citizen could take forever and on most cases will be denied, as a family man that have kids that are hungry and dont have a place to stay..... theres not really choice but to come to the US and start doing whatever you need to do give your family a better life, even it its illegal.

Not sure if everything you're saying is true . . . or just making the thread interesting . . . but when you get thrown out on your A$$ with nothing for your family . . . let me be the first to say . . . :ha:

[Bimmer Pilot]

Taxes: Man is he gonna get raked over the coals with penalties and interest...

Customs: Perhaps he didn't declare it because he didn't want anyone from his home customs to rob him

[/dunno]

Oh please, you can check up to 10 SSNs online at the SSA website and get the results instantly.
-ajb

Makes you wonder why they don't query the DB to find multiple active matches to individual SSNs. At least then you can identify potential illegals and/or identify thiefs...

[huitzi]

Not sure if everything you're saying is true . . . or just making the thread interesting . . . but when you get thrown out on your A$$ with nothing for your family . . . let me be the first to say . . . :ha:

i dont need to lie, and trusts me .... i wont get thrown out ever. ;). if i ever move back itll be cuz i want to.

[christian18t]

racism. bad thing. but its funny while we argue about this issue of legal or illegal most of them are paying taxes and paying for what bush call our freedom the war.

[RavinJetta]

racism. bad thing. but its funny while we argue about this issue of legal or illegal most of them are paying taxes and paying for what bush call our freedom the war.

Most illegals are paying taxes? I doubt that.

[huitzi]

Most illegals are paying taxes? I doubt that.

its true, not all of them but most. Every company takes taxes out of their checks

[madajb]

Most illegals are paying taxes? I doubt that.

You'd be surprised. Apparently they're more afraid of the IRS than the INS. heh.

-ajb

[RavinJetta]

You'd be surprised. Apparently they're more afraid of the IRS than the INS. heh.

-ajb

interesting indeed

[vwbora1point8t]

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL! Why is it so hard for people to understand this, IMO if you want to come here and work legally, like all of my friends from asia or europe have, great.

Oh god, that's another problem with ignorant anti-immigration Americans, they all assume that immigrants (legal and illegal) come from Latin America. That is such a flawed perception of the overall theme of immigration reform that I won't even comment on it. Read up on news and look at empirical data. Don't take "minutemens" opinions. Your view is definitely flawed, sir, educate yourself.

**Pop Quiz: I'm half Austrian, half Nicaraguan, try and guess who came here legally and who was "illegal"? I'll give you a hint, the Schmaustrian was not legal.

[vwbora1point8t]

Most illegals are paying taxes? I doubt that.

If your issue is with ppl exploiting America and it's resources, look in your own backyard. There are countless of Americans that aren't paying taxes and being a drain on our economy causing fiscal deficits. So, i believe you're going off tangent. Choose a topic, stick to your motif, and be critical of your own views.

[vwbora1point8t]

for the people that have been here illegally for like 10years ++ let them stay...

Amen... you should run for office.:tup:

[mike]

We are all immigrants of some sort unless you are native american. But now that this country has been modernized, is governed and this isn't the wild west anymore and a giant land grab, there are channels to go through. There are illegals from other parts of the world, If you check my statement, I never said there wasn't, just not NEARLY as many as the hispanics, and they usually keep out of trouble, I work in Santa Ana so I know more than you think about illegals, hispanics and crime. I work here and pay taxes, they work here, under a false SS number, and someone else gets extra money paid into their taxes at the end of the year. The only reason they DO work and pay taxes under a false SS number is so they can make more than $2 an hour.

Like I said earlier, if the want to come here work, assimilate to our way of life and become a productive member of society, great. They can apply for a citizenship and wait, sucks, but you or I would have to do the same. But for the most part, they rape this country blind, I'm not racist, I have friends from all over the world of all sorts of nationalities, including hispanic, yet you portray me as one for loving my country and wanting to see it prosper, not get sucked dry. Mexico is shitting on this country by not giving a rats ass who leaves, all the criminals, dope peddlers, sex offenders, are just walking right into MY country, and yours, and I'm a fuckin racist? I don't think so my friend.

[TOYr32]

If your issue is with ppl exploiting America and it's resources, look in your own backyard. There are countless of Americans that aren't paying taxes and being a drain on our economy causing fiscal deficits. So, i believe you're going off tangent. Choose a topic, stick to your motif, and be critical of your own views.

Yeah . . . Mendocino County is probably the Pot Growing Capitol of CA. I went to wedding and the family grows pot, and they brag about their land and their stuff and you just want to report them to someone cause it's so disheartening knowing they have all this money, don't pay taxes, and throw it in your face like they're better then me!!

[illusion]

We are all immigrants of some sort unless you are native american. But now that this country has been modernized, is governed and this isn't the wild west anymore and a giant land grab, there are channels to go through. There are illegals from other parts of the world, If you check my statement, I never said there wasn't, just not NEARLY as many as the hispanics, and they usually keep out of trouble, I work in Santa Ana so I know more than you think about illegals, hispanics and crime. I work here and pay taxes, they work here, under a false SS number, and someone else gets extra money paid into their taxes at the end of the year. The only reason they DO work and pay taxes under a false SS number is so they can make more than $2 an hour.

Like I said earlier, if the want to come here work, assimilate to our way of life and become a productive member of society, great. They can apply for a citizenship and wait, sucks, but you or I would have to do the same. But for the most part, they rape this country blind, I'm not racist, I have friends from all over the world of all sorts of nationalities, including hispanic, yet you portray me as one for loving my country and wanting to see it prosper, not get sucked dry. Mexico is shitting on this country by not giving a rats ass who leaves, all the criminals, dope peddlers, sex offenders, are just walking right into MY country, and yours, and I'm a fuckin racist? I don't think so my friend.


Exactly. This does not define or classify you as a racist. Again, no one singled out hispanics/latin Americans. However, it is Southern California which last time I checked was closer to the border of Mexico and subsequently the gateway to the rest of the latin world. It does not border Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe or Antartica. There is nothing wrong with trying to make a better living for yourself and your family. However, when there are legal American citizens living in America (of all backgrounds, ethnicities, etc...) who pay taxes, have shitty jobs (often more than 1), can't afford housing, medical and health benefits and they have to watch thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants (of all backgrounds and races) get health benefits for free (and by free I mean out of mine and all other legal citizens tax paying dollars) don't except me to jump up and down and throw you a parade. I don't care what color you are or where you came from, but if you are here illegally in America, you do not have the same rights as legal citizens. You DO have universal human rights (as in you should be treated the same as other regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, religion, etc.). Why should I struggle to survive and feed my family and hope that I don't require medical attention since I can't afford to go to the doctor so that people who come and "rape our country" can enjoy the good life? This is AMERICA and ONLY AMERICA. If you want this to be your country, assimilate. I will not learn your language so you can understand me. You learn mine so you can function. Maybe if the guy in Florida knew English and knew the laws, he might still have his money?! He didn't lose his money because US custom agents didn't understand Spanish or his native language did he? If you want to live in America, do it legally. When American citizens want to live in other countries, they have strict rules and guidelines that they are required to follow by the country that are attempting to reside in. Why should those entering the US illegally not be held to the same standard? Seems to me that illegals do not want to be held liable and subject to the same laws that legal US citizens are held to (ie: pay taxes, learn English, do everything by the book) but they want the same rights as legal citizens or even better. Who died and made you above the law? Don't think the same shit would apply to US citizens attempting to pull this shit in other countries. Peace out.

[christian18t]

We are all immigrants of some sort unless you are native american. But now that this country has been modernized, is governed and this isn't the wild west anymore and a giant land grab, there are channels to go through. There are illegals from other parts of the world, If you check my statement, I never said there wasn't, just not NEARLY as many as the hispanics, and they usually keep out of trouble, I work in Santa Ana so I know more than you think about illegals, hispanics and crime. I work here and pay taxes, they work here, under a false SS number, and someone else gets extra money paid into their taxes at the end of the year. The only reason they DO work and pay taxes under a false SS number is so they can make more than $2 an hour.

Like I said earlier, if the want to come here work, assimilate to our way of life and become a productive member of society, great. They can apply for a citizenship and wait, sucks, but you or I would have to do the same. But for the most part, they rape this country blind, I'm not racist, I have friends from all over the world of all sorts of nationalities, including hispanic, yet you portray me as one for loving my country and wanting to see it prosper, not get sucked dry. Mexico is shitting on this country by not giving a rats ass who leaves, all the criminals, dope peddlers, sex offenders, are just walking right into MY country, and yours, and I'm a fuckin racist? I don't think so my friend.




yeah hispanics might dui but remember we are not shooting schools. and speaking of sexual offenders ahh have u seen dateline lately????

[christian18t]

i dont even know wtf we are all posting here this is a never ending thread. people dont always agree thats why planet earth is not perfect. lets leave this to the govmt thats thier job, and sh*t if you are really passionate abot this topic get into politics and let me learn more about euros thats what this site is for. if this guy lost his money well guess what lifes not fair deal with it move on. thanx

[madajb]

i dont even know wtf we are all posting here
...
let me learn more about euros thats what this site is for.

SoCalEuro.com > Off Topic > In The News

-ajb

[illusion]

i dont even know wtf we are all posting here this is a never ending thread. people dont always agree thats why planet earth is not perfect. lets leave this to the govmt thats thier job, and sh*t if you are really passionate abot this topic get into politics and let me learn more about euros thats what this site is for. if this guy lost his money well guess what lifes not fair deal with it move on. thanx

:stupid:HAHAHA, you brought yourself into this thread, we are all posting about this neverending thread because this is where it goes. If you dont want to talk about this thread then get out. If you dont want to follow the rules of this country then get out. This country is run by the People, not the Government. I am into politics and thats why im reading and writing in this thread. I have a Political Science Major. Someone needs to go back to school. Oh and this isn't illusion, Im his Girlfriend.

[fcastle]

As I think on the subject. My personal criteria is this:

PAY TAXES (you too should be getting fisted by the IRS, it's the American way and for the person who was talking about citizens who evade, they too should go to federal prison)

Speak English (I don't expect you to become a fucking public speaker, but lets at least be able to communicate on a rudimentary level).

Other than that, fuck it.

[mike]

SoCalEuro.com > Off Topic > In The News

-ajb

Brilliant!!!!!!!!

:D

[mike]

yeah hispanics might dui but remember we are not shooting schools. and speaking of sexual offenders ahh have u seen dateline lately????

Yeah, this thread title is "CNN: Mistake costs dishwasher $59,000" not "Hillbilly rapes three year old" , and if it was the later, I would be calling him a criminal piece of shit too.

Do some research, You will find a lot of statistics to prove that Latinos, illegal or not, are the major source of crime here in CA. They are the majority in our penal system too. Like I said earlier, I work in the hotbed of illegals cholos and 19 year olds that dont work that already have three kids, I grew up in socal, so I'm not blind, I have watched the changes in Compton and such over the last 10 years, all the blacks have moved out and now Compton and South Central for the most part is a poor hispanic neighborhood covered with illegals and crime (that hasn't changed) . What used to be nice neighborhoods are littered with trash and shopping carts, beat up shitty cars and unkept houses. This state is far from taking action and its going to get worse before it gets better.

[mr_wrong]

and speaking of sexual offenders ahh have u seen dateline lately????

We'll save that topic for GOP senators.

Anyway...

Give the guy back his money.

IMO this guy belongs in the "low-key illegal" category- keeps a low profile, just wants to support his family and live a decent life at his home in Mexico. Regardless of his legal status, he earned the money honestly, unlike a bulk of the illegals who come over to leech off the system.

.02

[vwbora1point8t]

If you dont want to follow the rules of this country then get out. This country is run by the People, not the Government.

REALLY?!?!?! last i checked we had a leader who's approval rating was sub 50%... we had gays treated as second class citizens, and a never ending war that the majority of the ppl are against. Is it really run by the ppl? I guess blind ignorance truly is bliss... wish i had your eyes...:tdown:

[vwbora1point8t]

Why should I struggle to survive and feed my family and hope that I don't require medical attention since I can't afford to go to the doctor so that people who come and "rape our country" can enjoy the good life?

No offense, honestly, but SHAME ON YOU for struggling and having a hard time feeding your family. I feel for you, I really do, but dude, you've had every opportunity to make a better life for yourself. I'm assuming you were born in America. If that's the case, lay off the beer, stop skipping school, put down your Xbox 360, stop going out and get ur study-on! I can't sympathize with ppl born here who've had every opportunity in the world, the reason immigrants come here in the first place, and are working at Mc donald's for minimum wage (struggling). I'm sure YOUR parents didn't come here for you to be struggling for mistakes you've made. Stop using immigrants as scapegoats for your own personal underachievments. My parents came here with nothing, one legal and one illegal, and now I'm a law student at LMU. I am where i am because i applied myself, when i failed not once did i blame immigrants. When i didn't get a job I didn't say immigrants took my job, i got up and tried again, twice as hard. If you're "struggling to survive, or put food on your family's table" that is your own fault. This is America, everyone is trying to get a piece of the pie. So get up off your ass, push ppl out of your way, run, jump, or crawl, and go get yourself some Motherf*cking PIEEEEEEEEE!!!! </end>

[illusion]

REALLY?!?!?! last i checked we had a leader who's approval rating was sub 50%... we had gays treated as second class citizens, and a never ending war that the majority of the ppl are against. Is it really run by the ppl? I guess blind ignorance truly is bliss... wish i had your eyes...:tdown:

hahaha, the president has nothing to do with this, he alone can't do whatever he wants to like a king. Your believing in too much media and not enough books. thats what checks and balances are for. you also need some schooling yourself. we vote for laws, codes, etc. People make america, not the President. The President is Americas Spokesman, But also has some power too. but we voted for him, well most of us anyway (I did), oh and twice.

[illusion]

No offense, honestly, but SHAME ON YOU for struggling and having a hard time feeding your family. I feel for you, I really do, but dude, you've had every opportunity to make a better life for yourself. I'm assuming you were born in America. If that's the case, lay off the beer, stop skipping school, put down your Xbox 360, stop going out and get ur study-on! I can't sympathize with ppl born here who've had every opportunity in the world, the reason immigrants come here in the first place, and are working at Mc donald's for minimum wage (struggling). I'm sure YOUR parents didn't come here for you to be struggling for mistakes you've made. Stop using immigrants as scapegoats for your own personal underachievments. My parents came here with nothing, one legal and one illegal, and now I'm a law student at LMU. I am where i am because i applied myself, when i failed not once did i blame immigrants. When i didn't get a job I didn't say immigrants took my job, i got up and tried again, twice as hard. If you're "struggling to survive, or put food on your family's table" that is your own fault. This is America, everyone is trying to get a piece of the pie. So get up off your ass, push ppl out of your way, run, jump, or crawl, and go get yourself some Motherf*cking PIEEEEEEEEE!!!! </end>

Oh, and all this stuff you wrote here, ill just pretend you didn't.

[madajb]

but we voted for him, well most of us anyway (I did)

Well, half of us, anyway.

-ajb

[mr_wrong]

Oh, and all this stuff you wrote here, ill just pretend you didn't.

Let me get something straight here:

You voted for Bush- Twice, yet you discount vwbora1point8t's post about personal responsibility, which is a cornerstone of (classic) conservative ideology. Unless you're into the whole "neo-con mommy-state" thing, which then I would understand your position a little better.

[illusion]

Let me get something straight here:

You voted for Bush- Twice, yet you discount vwbora1point8t's post about personal responsibility, which is a cornerstone of (classic) conservative ideology. Unless you're into the whole "neo-con mommy-state" thing, which then I would understand your position a little better.

I only voted the second, was too young for the first. USA as a whole voted him twice.

[paultakeda]

On a related topic on this off-topic thread, get ready for a craptacular California produce slump: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-farmworkers7oct07,0,7492249.story?coll=la-home-center

[madajb]

On a related topic on this off-topic thread, get ready for a craptacular California produce slump: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-farmworkers7oct07,0,7492249.story?coll=la-home-center
Sigh. Yet another government program that perpetuates the problem.

-ajb