View Full Version : Veteran Cuts Down Mexican Flag
TOYr32
10-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Sorry about the title, it is not meant to be Brash!
This is a video of a Bar, I'm assuming owned by Mexicans that were flying the Mexican Flag over the American Flag.
Please . . . this is not meant to bash Random Mexicans . . . I wanted to post it to show some Patriotism.
Now, I'm not sure of the follow up, they could have very well not known, but I'm not sure if they were told and asked, and why they wouldn't fix the mistake, if indeed it was a mistake.
The Army Veteran was I think more respectful then I think many people would have been. He didn't try to pick a fight or anything. He did what he needed to do and left. I'm not sure what the Law is actually allowed to do, so I think his approach was appropriate.
Again . . . this isn't a F#CK Mexicans Thread, so please be considerate of our Mexican (or Latino, sorry I'm ignorant!) Members and Friends . . . but comment away on this Asshole that thought it would be cool to fly his flag over mine!!
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Monster8V
10-04-2007, 08:11 PM
well, if it was displayed inside the bar, I wouldnt have a problem with it. I wouldnt like it and likely wouldnt patronize that bar either. But posting that outside on a flagpole like they did. Wrong answer. He did the right thing in my book by removing it.
I loved how they had no comment after the fact. Id suspect they had no comment because they KNEW they were wrong.
slowjet
10-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Im pretty sure they were dumbfounded. I doubt they know all the laws of this country. Hell, i don't know all the laws of this country, but i do know common sense. Unfortunately, not everyone has common sense. So, just like that man, it is our job to teach all poeple (immigrants and citizens) good common sense. Ive had a few neighbors hang the smaller American flags from the front eve of their house. Sometimes those flags were torn. But because of my politeness, ive had them remove those flags and replace them or not set up any at all. Here is a link (http://www.flagkeepers.org/Home.asp) for proper flag rules and etiquette. Spread the good word people, because it makes us look bad as a nation when you let others fly our colors all faded, torn, or ragged.
Wow good for him...:tup2:
ncttrnl
10-04-2007, 09:31 PM
I don't think that was the best way to handle the situation but I'm kinda glad he did that.
I get a little pissed when I see people flying the flag incorrectly but putting another country's flag over our own is just too much in my book. If they were just flying the Mexican flag, I wouldn't care.
Ignorance of the law is no defense either. They don't have to know there is a law to know they put someone else's flag over our own.
huitzi
10-04-2007, 09:49 PM
I really dont see whats wrong with having a flag of any country above other................ but if its the law....................
Yeah, I'm glad he did it, that took some balls. I'm not sure about the fighting and war part, but this is America and no flag should fly over ours here, Mexico, Canada, Outter Rangoon, period, nobody sits higher than the King in his own castle (although I hear in Texas they fly the Texas flag over the American Flag all the time, anyone know if this is true?)
ncttrnl
10-04-2007, 10:11 PM
Yeah, I'm glad he did it, that took some balls. I'm not sure about the fighting and war part, but this is America and no flag should fly over ours here, Mexico, Canada, Outter Rangoon, period, nobody sits higher than the King in his own castle (although I hear in Texas they fly the Texas flag over the American Flag all the time, anyone know if this is true?)
They fly it at the same level.
All states can do that.
Anonymous
10-04-2007, 10:19 PM
I don't think that was the best way to handle the situation but I'm kinda glad he did that.
I get a little pissed when I see people flying the flag incorrectly but putting another country's flag over our own is just too much in my book. If they were just flying the Mexican flag, I wouldn't care.
Ignorance of the law is no defense either. They don't have to know there is a law to know they put someone else's flag over our own.
It may have been disrespectful or it may have been a poorly attempted sign of unity but it isn't actually illegal(according to the Reno police and ACLU).
"The Reno Police Department said in a statement Wednesday that while the U.S. Code establishes protocol for the display of the American flag in relation to other flags, the protocol “is advisory and is not a criminal statute.
“There is no sanction for violation of the protocol and is not enforceable by local law enforcement,” the statement said.
Likewise, Nevada law contains provisions related to display of flags but “none of those provisions make it unlawful to violate the protocol established in the U.S. Code,” the department said."
Heres the code:
UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 36
CHAPTER 10
§ 173
(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
Jim Brossard's actions were clearly illegal though.
It's cliche I know, but I blame the media. They didn't do their research, sensationalized this story, and sat back to reap the rewards. Did anyone bother to talk to the owner of the bar?
Speaking of media:Link to video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1Gj0qdr08)
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Cavuto didn't even watch the fucking video... "How did you get up there?"
Jim- "I heard on the Bill Manders show that the flags were flying"
Again the media(Manders) fanning the flames and cashing in.
Manders- "You know this guy stole a flag... uhh... (wtf did I just say) ...so to speak(whew that was close, good save Bill good save, I'm so quick, no wonder I have my own show)"
Manders- "What we're really concerned about is identity theft" WTF is he talking about
Jim- (OMG, WTH, this douche bag is using me)
All that said, I respect Jim Brossard for his service and patriotism and I hope no charges will be brought against him.
I don't think any smart prosecutor in their right state of mind would even try to put this to a jury.
Oh yeah, why the "Anonymous" posting?
ncttrnl
10-04-2007, 10:39 PM
Oh yeah, why the "Anonymous" posting?
That's his username
ncttrnl
10-04-2007, 10:49 PM
You can substitute the world "Law" for "Code" in my original post. The rest of it still stands.
I don't think the guy should have cut someone else's flag down but there is a part of me that is glad that he did.
vwbora1point8t
10-05-2007, 12:25 AM
... Is it me or has socaleuro become less about Euros and more about societal issues... f*ck it, anyone wanna share their thoughts on abortion while we're at it? I'm just dying to know how you all feel about a woman's right to choose...
CALL AAA
10-05-2007, 12:33 AM
They fly it at the same level.
All states can do that.
At a Padres game a few weeks ago, they had some kind of Salute to Mexico. I'm not sure what the actual name of the day was, but they did tributes to some TJ officials, Mexican players and announced the starting line-up in Spanish. The thing that got me was that they flew the Mexican flag at the same level. They didn't fly the big American flag on the tall pole. Just the US and Mexican flags on poles side by side. Bu for a while, I thought that the Mexican flag was above ours. I was PISSED! I was looking for someone who could get me to a park manager. Fortunately, I didn't find one, as I looked it up when I got home, and saw that they can fly it from a separate pole, at the same hight, although on this page.(#11 http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html) it talks about a US flag, a foreign flag AND a state flag. That's a good site. It covers just about everything.
Oh, jeez. Scroll down to the fire hydrant.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/wallofshame.htm
JETTAone420
10-05-2007, 12:39 AM
hahah that dude was gangster!!!!
but yea i woulda prob done the same....
MY NAME IS TED VILLA AND I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER
fuck yo 'other' flag niukka!!
oc-audica
10-05-2007, 12:42 AM
what a dick for leaving the Mexican flag on the ground
ncttrnl
10-05-2007, 12:55 AM
... Is it me or has socaleuro become less about Euros and more about societal issues... f*ck it, anyone wanna share their thoughts on abortion while we're at it? I'm just dying to know how you all feel about a woman's right to choose...
SocalEuro has always been about the people that drive the cars. That means we talk about anything a person that likes European cars wants to talk about. If we only talked about cars, this would be a pretty boring place.
PS... I'm pro-choice
ncttrnl
10-05-2007, 12:57 AM
what a dick for leaving the Mexican flag on the ground
Agreed. Its hard to demand respect when you don't give it.
illusion
10-05-2007, 01:20 AM
F*ck yeah, I want to buy that guy a drink. I would have done the same, and i bet the reason the owner didn't do anything was because the guy had a knife in his hand. hahahaha.
illusion
10-05-2007, 01:22 AM
SocalEuro has always been about the people that drive the cars. That means we talk about anything a person that likes European cars wants to talk about. If we only talked about cars, this would be a pretty boring place.
PS... I'm pro-choice
Exactly, vwbora1point8t has been complaining alot lately, i think he has daddy issues. i mean if i want real info on my car, ill go to vwvortex. i come here to talk about everything else plus cars.
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 08:57 AM
what a dick for leaving the Mexican flag on the ground
Yeah, there are a lot of things that he could have done better from outside eyes . . . I probably would have chickened out and just swapped the flags positions and put them back up the flagpole! :) Then walked in his bar and maybe had a beer . . . again, who knows if he even realized he was wrong.
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 09:02 AM
... Is it me or has socaleuro become less about Euros and more about societal issues... f*ck it, anyone wanna share their thoughts on abortion while we're at it? I'm just dying to know how you all feel about a woman's right to choose...
I'm pro whatever the woman wants. If she wants a abortion, she can have one . . . if she wants to keep it and thinks that abortion is wrong . . . she can do that too.
VWbora . . . you can always just avoid these threads and hang out in the car lounge!! ;)
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 09:17 AM
what a dick for leaving the Mexican flag on the ground
Why? Thats where it belongs. :tup2:
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 09:18 AM
It may have been disrespectful or it may have been a poorly attempted sign of unity but it isn't actually illegal(according to the Reno police and ACLU).
"The Reno Police Department said in a statement Wednesday that while the U.S. Code establishes protocol for the display of the American flag in relation to other flags, the protocol “is advisory and is not a criminal statute.
“There is no sanction for violation of the protocol and is not enforceable by local law enforcement,” the statement said.
Likewise, Nevada law contains provisions related to display of flags but “none of those provisions make it unlawful to violate the protocol established in the U.S. Code,” the department said."
Heres the code:
UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 36
CHAPTER 10
§ 173
(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
Jim Brossard's actions were clearly illegal though.
It's cliche I know, but I blame the media. They didn't do their research, sensationalized this story, and sat back to reap the rewards. Did anyone bother to talk to the owner of the bar?
Speaking of media:Link to video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1Gj0qdr08)
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Cavuto didn't even watch the fucking video... "How did you get up there?"
Jim- "I heard on the Bill Manders show that the flags were flying"
Again the media(Manders) fanning the flames and cashing in.
Manders- "You know this guy stole a flag... uhh... (wtf did I just say) ...so to speak(whew that was close, good save Bill good save, I'm so quick, no wonder I have my own show)"
Manders- "What we're really concerned about is identity theft" WTF is he talking about
Jim- (OMG, WTH, this douche bag is using me)
All that said, I respect Jim Brossard for his service and patriotism and I hope no charges will be brought against him.
That clip was funny . . . WTH were they talking about . . . it would suck if he got charged with stealing the flag. But . . . technically he did right?
PhtTony
10-05-2007, 09:28 AM
... Is it me or has socaleuro become less about Euros and more about societal issues... f*ck it, anyone wanna share their thoughts on abortion while we're at it? I'm just dying to know how you all feel about a woman's right to choose...
Way to thread jack buddy! wooo hooo!
huitzi
10-05-2007, 09:32 AM
Why? Thats where it belongs. :tup2:
what the fuck is wrong with you?!:mad: show some respect asshole
Damn, will the Admins please delete all non car related threads and forums please, this is a car site afterall...........................
I'm pro choice, a womans right to chose is her own.
what the fuck is wrong with you?!:mad: show some respect asshole
Hutzi, it was a joke
huitzi
10-05-2007, 09:38 AM
Hutzi, it was a joke
well he should of put j/k at the end:o
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 10:06 AM
Why? Thats where it belongs. :tup2:
what the fuck is wrong with you?!:mad: show some respect asshole
This coming from the guys that said . . . I really dont see whats wrong with having a flag of any country above other................ but if its the law....................
Why can't he have an opinion of your flag meaning nothing to him?
huitzi
10-05-2007, 10:09 AM
i dont see it as an opinion, sounded more like an insult
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 10:37 AM
i dont see it as an opinion, sounded more like an insult
So was your comment on putting another flag over mine! But I treated your insult as an opinion as you should have with his!
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 10:38 AM
what the fuck is wrong with you?!:mad: show some respect asshole
If you cant handle other peoples opinions without resorting to name calling, you might want to refrain from posting.
I do not now nor do I ever have to respect the Mexican flag. Thats my right as an american.
or maybe he wasn't..................... If you don't agree with his opinion, thats fine, but its America and you have to recognize his right to do so.
PhtTony
10-05-2007, 10:51 AM
If you cant handle other peoples opinions without resorting to name calling, you might want to refrain from posting.
I do not respect the mexican flag. Thats my right as an american.
I'm sorry but arent moderators supposed to be a non-biast entity. What would be the purpose of the postion if you chose a side?
It's just a question.
huitzi
10-05-2007, 10:52 AM
I do not now nor do I ever have to respect the Mexican flag. Thats my right as an american.
So i can have an american flag upside down outside of my house, bucause thats my right as a mexican....... right? You cant expect me to respect your flag if you dont respect mine
illusion
10-05-2007, 10:57 AM
So i can have an american flag upside down outside of my house, bucause thats my right as a mexican....... right? You cant expect me to respect your flag if you dont respect mine
Now your making it a mexican bashing thread. hes not bashing you, you dont live in mexico right? because it sucks ass right? thats why your here right? make up your mind.
ncttrnl
10-05-2007, 10:59 AM
I'm sorry but arent moderators supposed to be a non-biast entity. What would be the purpose of the postion if you chose a side?
It's just a question.
Nope
Mods are welcome to their own opinions on everything.
Their purpose is to enforce the rules. We very deliberately have a diverse group of mods so that our personal opinions are balanced out. If we didn't, we'd be too tempted to just lock anything we didn't like and the other mods would just agree with us.
huitzi
10-05-2007, 11:00 AM
and you gave me a "warning" because i called you an asshole?! i dont think you or any other proud american will just sit and do/say nothing when someone just insulted your flag. And thats what i did as a proud mexican
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 11:00 AM
So i can have an american flag upside down outside of my house, bucause thats my right as a mexican....... right? You cant expect me to respect your flag if you dont respect mine
You can do whatever you want to do in Mexico, I really dont care. If you have problems with America and our flag then by all means, stay in Mexico.
I love my flag and my country. Ive served my country proudly with the flag proudly on my shoulder thru every country ive traveled thru. I respect the flags of other countries I consider a true ally to the USA. So for that and may reasons, im loyal ONLY to my flag. Im not here living a lie that ohhh, I love Amedica but I proudly wave the German flag? What is that??? Ill tell you, thats not american thing to do.
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 11:02 AM
and you gave me a "warning" because i called you an asshole?! i dont think you or any other proud american will just sit and do/say nothing when someone just insulted your flag. And thats what i did as a proud mexican
I did it because its the rules and I do it to any/everyone who violates the rules here. trust me, your comments didnt hurt my feelings however you need to refrain from using certain words.
TOYr32
10-05-2007, 11:03 AM
So i can have an american flag upside down outside of my house, bucause thats my right as a mexican....... right? You cant expect me to respect your flag if you dont respect mine
Yes if you were in Mexico, but no if your in America.
I do recall that you are not a citizen so I do respect your opinion as much as I disagree . . . now if you were a Mexican trying get citizenship (which you have clarified you are not) or were a Mexican who is now an American Citizen, I think it would be expected that you respect our flag as your own not losing respect for your Mexican Flag. I'm not saying you have to think of our flag as better, by all means, to some people it is just a piece of fabric, while others believe in the 13 stripes, 50 stars, and all the history behind the flag. I'll be honest . . . I have no idea why there is an Eagle and a Snake . . . or why your flag looks Italian . . . but I'm sure there is a great story behind it. But if you're gonna live in the US and display the American Flag, do it right. Unless you're trying to make a political statement, but then you have to accept the consequences. And I don't think that that is an opinion of my own, I think it a requirement by our government.
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm sorry but arent moderators supposed to be a non-biast entity. What would be the purpose of the postion if you chose a side?
It's just a question.
Yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even us Mods! Do you think we shouldnt have an opinion on subjects? Some of us are even smart and can debate things! (Well, not me tho!) :D
huitzi
10-05-2007, 11:06 AM
You can do whatever you want to do in Mexico, I really dont care. If you have problems with America and our flag then by all means, stay in Mexico.
I love my flag and my country. Ive served my country proudly with the flag proudly on my shoulder thru every country ive traveled thru. I respect the flags of other countries I consider a true ally to the USA.
Mexico just happens to not be one of them. I dont know how thats insulting?
i dont have any problems with America or its flag , ive never said anything about it, did i?? but you did insult my flag and i cant just take no action
PhtTony
10-05-2007, 11:06 AM
Now your making it a mexican bashing thread. hes not bashing you, you dont live in mexico right? because it sucks ass right? thats why your here right? make up your mind.
Thats pretty hateful man. Not right at all. Your sticking your foot in your mouth now. This is pretty much borderline ignorance and a racial issue. Please dont make this a personal issue. You do not know Huitzi. Where he came from? For what reasons he's here. Matter of fact he is a amazingly successful businessman from the dozens of people that know him on socal and in the IE. This dude made himself from the ground up. I'd just hope you'd retract your hateful speech on an individual.
illusion
10-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Rules dont apply to gti20ae. hes proud of being an illegal and not caring about following rules and laws.
PhtTony
10-05-2007, 11:08 AM
Nope
Mods are welcome to their own opinions on everything.
Their purpose is to enforce the rules. We very deliberately have a diverse group of mods so that our personal opinions are balanced out. If we didn't, we'd be too tempted to just lock anything we didn't like and the other mods would just agree with us.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I just dont agree with you one bit. Althought this post has gone way past what it should have allowed.
illusion
10-05-2007, 11:09 AM
Thats pretty hateful man. Not right at all. Your sticking your foot in your mouth now. This is pretty much borderline ignorance and a racial issue. Please dont make this a personal issue. You do not know Huitzi. Where he came from? For what reasons he's here. Matter of fact he is a amazingly successful businessman from the dozens of people that know him on socal and in the IE. This dude made himself from the ground up. I'd just hope you'd retract your hateful speech on an individual.
Why, he did the same to me and other, i dont care for that guy, hes an ass.
ncttrnl
10-05-2007, 11:10 AM
Whoa!
This thread went from mild debate to personal in just a few posts.
Everyone needs to show just a little more respect for each other's opinions or we're going to have to lock this.
illusion
10-05-2007, 11:12 AM
Whoa!
This thread went from mild debate to personal in just a few posts.
Everyone needs to show just a little more respect for each other's opinions or we're going to have to lock this.
Ok ok, ill be the first because im a nice guy. im sorry about everything that i said. and im sure gti20ae isnt. but thats ok, im not going to post anymore in this thread so that it will not get worst. my appologies to everyone ive offended. And im serious.
Monster8V
10-05-2007, 11:12 AM
i dont have any problems with America or its flag , ive never said anything about it, did i?? but you did insult my flag and i cant just take no action
allow me to present to you a scenerio and tell me what you would think.
Lets say there is a Bar in Mexico owned and run by Americans. These Americans living in your country proudly display the American flag on a flag pole with the Mexican flag beneath the american flag in your country. Does this insult you?
If a simple opinion expressed to you on a forum insults you, then I suspect you would be insulted by the above scenerio and you would do what exactly?
EDIT: There is no reason we cant debate this without personal attacks. We might even learn something from one another on this issue, something that rarely happens here! ;)
PhtTony
10-05-2007, 11:12 AM
Why, he did the same to me and other, i dont care for that guy, hes an ass.
theres your queue moderators.
huitzi
10-05-2007, 11:14 AM
hes an ass.
is he getting a warning too??? or no cuz you guys agree with him?
ncttrnl
10-05-2007, 11:14 AM
theres your queue moderators.
Seriously
So much for open discussion :drama:
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