US Flag lapel pins offensive?... [Archive]

SYNYSTAGLI

10-10-2007, 12:52 PM

i find it slighly offensive especially since ppl who werent as patriotic before all of a sudden start repping flags on their house and stuff like that

Some might consider this slightly offensive as well.............:D Can you tell the people who are patriotic now and those who were not patriotic, and now are...apart?

JETTAone420

10-10-2007, 01:05 PM

ok so maybe that was to vague a statement...i was basing that off the neighbors we got around here and some relatives i got taht wouldnt even let me put them down for references when i needed them to enlist the first time and they said no and now they got those SUPPORT OUR TROOPS RIBBONS

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 01:24 PM

taka a political Science class ted..its required. You'll learn about the politics side of patriotism. its really in depth.

ncttrnl

10-10-2007, 01:40 PM

taka a political Science class ted..its required. You'll learn about the politics side of patriotism. its really in depth.

Just ask a person to define patriotism. That in itself is an eye opener.

audiracer2002

10-10-2007, 01:48 PM

Kelly Girl

10-10-2007, 01:50 PM

hrm, i have flag lapel pin. It's actually two flags, the US and teh California Flag.

but i only wear it on special GOP occasions.

TOYr32

10-10-2007, 01:53 PM

hrm, i have flag lapel pin. It's actually two flags, the US and teh California Flag.

but i only wear it on special GOP occasions.

I have a Chinese Flag Pin I wear on my heart . . . cause I'm communist! :D

SYNYSTAGLI

10-10-2007, 01:56 PM

lollllllll

Kelly Girl

10-10-2007, 01:58 PM

I have a Chinese Flag Pin I wear on my heart . . . cause I'm communist! :D

hahaha ha

TOYr32

10-10-2007, 02:03 PM

Since when does displaying a flag make you more / less patriotic. I think anyone that does display a flag for self gratification is still proving the ideals of patriotism . . . by demonstrating that they understand what that flag means to everyone else that cares.

Sure, they may think that ohhh . . . my neighbor put up a flag, so I should too . . . but they are still fulfilling the ideals.

Just because they didn't enlist, and now they are displaying a yellow ribbon because their HOA asked them to doesn't mean their not patriotic, or that they even know what patriotic means . . . but for the one house in the community that has a son or daughter or father or mother overseas . . . that ribbon means something totally different!

Anonymous

10-10-2007, 02:44 PM

I think it was interesting how adamant that guy was about how the flag isn't a logo and doesn't belong to anyone. To me he missed the point of the statement. I mean, somebody is making the lapel pins and other items. Somebody is capitalizing on the surge in patriotism (true or bandwagon) monetarily.

I agree.

This thread reminds me of the other flag thread not too long ago. And in this case: Section 8d. reads, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."
When you consider the fact that the flag is being used to profit on patriotism and the fact that it goes against flag code and regulations, yes, I think it could be little offensive. I guess in our modern America though capitalism wins out over or gets confused for patriotism.

SYNYSTAGLI

10-10-2007, 02:52 PM

"The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

I'd gladly wear an American flag pin to show my patriotism, but a jacket made from a flag is a different story altogether...

NaKoRuRu

10-10-2007, 02:54 PM

I agree.

This thread reminds me of the other flag thread not too long ago. And in this case: Section 8d. reads, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."
When you consider the fact that the flag is being used to profit on patriotism and the fact that it goes against flag code and regulations, yes, I think it could be little offensive. I guess in our modern America though capitalism wins out over or gets confused for patriotism.

What about the president? Does'nt he, himself wear an American flag lapel pin? So he is also in violation of section 8d. But is televised nationwide with it on so people think its ok. I honestly don't think its offensive. Even tho it is against flag code. If they were say a pair of stonewashed jeans with the American on it, then it would be offensive...

ncttrnl

10-10-2007, 03:00 PM

I agree.

This thread reminds me of the other flag thread not too long ago. And in this case: Section 8d. reads, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."
When you consider the fact that the flag is being used to profit on patriotism and the fact that it goes against flag code and regulations, yes, I think it could be little offensive. I guess in our modern America though capitalism wins out over or gets confused for patriotism.

Its not really apparel and is more like the flag patches worn on a soldiers uniform.

Offensive is a pair of flag boxers. Nothing like rubbing your taint on our country.

Anonymous

10-10-2007, 03:26 PM

What about the president? Does'nt he, himself wear an American flag lapel pin? So he is also in violation of section 8d. But is televised nationwide with it on so people think its ok. I honestly don't think its offensive. Even tho it is against flag code. If they were say a pair of stonewashed jeans with the American on it, then it would be offensive...

You mean this guy?

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/images/bushflag.jpg

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/images/bush911.jpg

You shouldn't use him as a reference when it comes to our flag. :D

I'm just being the Devil's advocate here. I'm not personally offended by flag pins or the such. I just get annoyed when people pick and choose their rules and regulations to fit their wants. Not that anyone in this thread did, just that I got that feeling from Dobbs commentary.

madajb

10-10-2007, 03:30 PM

Anyone who bases their vote on whether or not a candidate wears a flag pin gets the government they deserve.

-ajb

Kelly Girl

10-10-2007, 03:31 PM

i'll say it,

i'm embarassed to be american lately, and ashamed of my prez [and i voted for him]

NaKoRuRu

10-10-2007, 03:38 PM

You mean this guy?

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/images/bushflag.jpg

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/images/bush911.jpg

You shouldn't use him as a reference when it comes to our flag. :D

I'm just being the Devil's advocate here. I'm not personally offended by flag pins or the such. I just get annoyed when people pick and choose their rules and regulations to fit their wants. Not that anyone in this thread did, just that I got that feeling from Dobbs commentary.

Ha ha ha, I guess he isn't the best example. But i'm sure he wasn't the first to wear one :D

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 03:46 PM

ncttrnl

10-10-2007, 03:52 PM

You guys miss the whole point here.

I ask you all What is real patriotism...I know what it is, for once I'd like someone to tell me. Not what they think it should be but what it really is. Tell me please. I will burn you if you are not right...thats just the way it is.

It means different things to different people and that's just the way it is.

You are asking people to tell you what real love for their country is... That is unless you just want to hear that patriotism is "love for one's country" which is shallow and lame.

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 04:03 PM

That is unless you just want to hear that patriotism is "love for one's country" which is shallow and lame.

is this your opinion? are you giving me your opinion? because i know your not putting words in my mouth.

anyone else? I'm asking...

Anonymous

10-10-2007, 04:08 PM

You guys miss the whole point here.

I ask you all What is real patriotism...I know what it is, for once I'd like someone to tell me. Not what they think it should be but what it really is. Tell me please. I will burn you if you are not right...thats just the way it is.
:headspin:
We missed the whole point here?
I'm confused. You make a thread titled:US Flag lapel pins offensive? and then link to a commentary by Lou Dobbs about US Flag lapel pins. Where did you ask us about real patriotism?

ncttrnl

10-10-2007, 04:09 PM

is this your opinion? are you giving me your opinion? because i know your not putting words in my mouth.

anyone else? I'm asking...

That's the actual definition. The "lame" and "shallow" were part of my opinion of that definition.

http://www.answers.com/patriotism&r=67

Rento_VW

10-10-2007, 04:09 PM

Being patriotic is one thing... But I remember seeing a picture of a US neighborhood with all the flags and stuff on every house... And alongside that picture was a picture of Nazi, Germany, with houses all flying the German flags....

There is having a patriotic failthfulness in your country, and going a bit extreme...

In the meantime, I have to go fix the flag outside as it is wrapping around the pole...

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 04:15 PM

:headspin:
I'm confused.

It's ok my head spinning friend. Lets take you off your head for a second.

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Giving everything in your power, every bit of what you can spare. Sometimes it even giving more than you have. The real meaning of Patriotism was forgotten about. Today in 2007 A flag is a flag. It's sad.

Sending care packages to a troop you dont even know. Helping out at your nearest YMCA when you know there is no money to be made. To be unselfish about giving till the job is done. THen moving on to the next. Keeping your eye on the prize and being a wonderful representative of your city state country when you travel to help abroad. Doing work to help others that are less fortunate than yourself. When in fact you too are not exactly fortunate. Being a patriot means to give and do so much that you dont even stop to notice how much you've done...

... until somone pats you on the back and says..."look you did that"...

but patriot just gives a nod, and a thanks..and gets right back to work.

My only reference beyond that of real patriotism... is of all the patriots during the world wars 1 and 2 that gave up so much for their men and women fighting that war.

watch "The War" on KCET...you might learn a thing or two. Maybe see how easy it is to upkeep a victory garden.

Kelly Girl

10-10-2007, 04:37 PM

http://teenvogue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/11/hm3banner.jpg

patriotic enough for you??

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 04:59 PM

http://teenvogue.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/11/hm3banner.jpg

patriotic enough for you??

I concur....that would be suffice...

then i would ask her if she was a general...because my soldiers are standing at attention.

Kelly Girl

10-10-2007, 05:01 PM

it's HEIDI MONTAG, from the HILLS woot!!!

PhätTony

10-10-2007, 05:13 PM

it's HEIDI MONTAG, from the HILLS woot!!!

I can clearly see she is from the 'hills'..which hills? means no importance to me. lol

Kelly Girl

10-11-2007, 10:23 AM

man, don't you watch MTV?

cuz i do, and it's my dirty little secret. i make my TiVO record every episode and my TiVO cries

PhätTony

10-16-2007, 01:46 AM

man, don't you watch MTV?

cuz i do, and it's my dirty little secret. i make my TiVO record every episode and my TiVO cries

I'll start watching MTV when the honor their namesake....and start playing fuckin videos. lol