337 Or 20ae

[GLOBESAK]

So i currently have a 01 2.8L 5spd, but i want to switch over to a newer (less miles) 1.8t..
I found a 337 w/ 63,000 and a 20ae(black) with 53,000miles. The 20ae is $2000 more, but the 337 has coilovers, and a bunch of other mods. The 20ae also has a few mods on it but no coilovers. which is a better buy??? iam confilcted..

[PhätTony]

shouldve made this into a poll, son. But I would totally go 337. Thats like going 24v 200hp VR6:tup2: over a 12v VR6 170hp that smells like crayons:tdown:

[NaKoRuRu]

Well they are basically the same car stock. Except the AE has a sunroof. I'd personally get the AE because I don't like Reflex Silver and I like sunroofs. Even tho the 337 does have more mods. To me thats worth the 1k or so the coilovers are worth...

[GLOBESAK]

http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26261 (337)

The 20ae is stock as far as suspension w/ greddy turbo timer, intake, and magnaflow exhaust. Oh and a BOV. I drove the 20ae yesterday, and i gotta say I love the sound of a turbo spooling up...!!i fell in love with the car..Why would you choose the 337(tony)? i MEan i thought they where the same car HP wise...

[huitzi]

i have a bt 20th and let me tell you that the vr6 is better, get another vr6 with less miles

[karl]

the 20th and the 337 are basically the same car.....wheels on the 20th are heavier and it has a sunroof........same interior on both/same drivetrain

i like having a sunroof, i use my frequently. its said that a car without a sunroof doesnt flex as much and would be a better choice if you were to track the car

[NaKoRuRu]

i have a bt 20th and let me tell you that the vr6 is better, get another vr6 with less miles

Nahhh, its preference... I mean you can't beat the sound of the VR6 but they are pretty much capped as far as HP unless you spend tons of $$$$ on a turbo or s/c for them. Where as the 1.8t gives you more HP for your $ and is faster than a non turbo or s/c Vr6 with just a chip. But unless thats important to you I'd still say 1.8t. But hands down if this was a turbo vr6 vs a bt 1.8t i'd be all over the vr6

[huitzi]

Nahhh, its preference... I mean you can't beat the sound of the VR6 but they are pretty much capped as far as HP unless you spend tons of $$$$ on a turbo or s/c for them. Where as the 1.8t gives you more HP for your $ and is faster than a non turbo or s/c Vr6 with just a chip. But unless thats important to you I'd still say 1.8t. But hands down if this was a turbo vr6 vs a bt 1.8t i'd be all over the vr6

yea but vr6s have pretty good power and torque at all rpms, 1.8ts you have to wait for the turbo to kick in, i dont knw maybe its just me, i think that i was to go some where, let say the desert with a temp of 100f+, with some friends in my car and the AC on itll be a heavy load for the lilttle 1.8t............. i think vr6 are more reliable and last longer.

Ive had both at the same time (both mk4) and i just liked the VR better

[01rdGOLF]

337 IMO is better. Only 1500 distributed into the US.
one color, Red stitching inside instead of the 20th ( witch comes in gray stitching)

Only down site to owning a 337 is that when they made it, they were in a rush, so they didn't put in all the necessary things that were supposed to be in there. Like the black headliner, the 20th gauge cluster, with the silver rings. Small things.

But I like the 337 more than the 20th. If you have a chance, get the more rare 337. :)

[GLOBESAK]

I like the rareity of the 337 as well. Buth trim and the interior on the 20ae is clean as f... But i will be making the long drive out to san diego this weekend to drive the 337. So i guess i will be making my decision then. The 337 does look sick thoo!!
http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26261

[NaKoRuRu]

yea but vr6s have pretty good power and torque at all rpms, 1.8ts you have to wait for the turbo to kick in, i dont knw maybe its just me, i think that i was to go some where, let say the desert with a temp of 100f+, with some friends in my car and the AC on itll be a heavy load for the lilttle 1.8t............. i think vr6 are more reliable and last longer.

Ive had both at the same time (both mk4) and i just liked the VR better

Good point. But I was just talking about power wise... just chip the 1.8t= faster than vr6... but turbo the vr6= beats all 1.8t's... and yea if the temp was 100 degrees in the desert with a packed car (how many times do you have a packed car?) the vr6 would be better seeing as how it has more displacement and stuff but what about 50-60 degrees on a clear day by yourself? the turbo is gonna love that... I dunno its preference...:tup:

[GLOBESAK]

Ohh yea!! WHen i drove the 20ae, it has a turbo timer(greddy), so when i engaged the e-brake and took the key out of the ignition (with my foot on the brake) the car didnt turn off until i took my foot of the brake. Is that normal? I though turbo timer where sopposed to stay on until the timer goes off, not the when i took my foot of the brake. Sorry iam a NUEB.

[huitzi]

Good point. But I was just talking about power wise... just chip the 1.8t= faster than vr6... but turbo the vr6= beats all 1.8t's... and yea if the temp was 100 degrees in the desert with a packed car (how many times do you have a packed car?) the vr6 would be better seeing as how it has more displacement and stuff but what about 50-60 degrees on a clear day by yourself? the turbo is gonna love that... I dunno its preference...:tup:

very true, 1.8ts and vr6s are two completely different cars

[Streamline]

And in regards to a VR6 12v > 24v. But that's just preference :D

[NaKoRuRu]

very true, 1.8ts and vr6s are two completely different cars
Heheh, and you wouldn't give up your BT 1.8T for anything im sure... well except maybe a million $ haha

[huitzi]

Heheh, and you wouldn't give up your BT 1.8T for anything im sure... well except maybe a million $ haha

actually i really want an M3 so http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3014039 but i dont know........ im to attached to my 20th

[mobbin6]

you should buy this beast

http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?p=275876#post275876

[NaKoRuRu]

actually i really want an M3 so http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3014039 but i dont know........ im to attached to my 20th

heheh I know... but thats exactly what im saying... still doubts in there ;)

[Neccros]

Ohh yea!! WHen i drove the 20ae, it has a turbo timer(greddy), so when i engaged the e-brake and took the key out of the ignition (with my foot on the brake) the car didnt turn off until i took my foot of the brake. Is that normal? I though turbo timer where sopposed to stay on until the timer goes off, not the when i took my foot of the brake. Sorry iam a NUEB.

Might be to cool the turbo off a little before you exit the car... I have a friend with a turbo diesel pick up and he watches the temp of his turbo on his timer before shutting down.../


Not sure if its the same in this situation though...

[GLOBESAK]

Might be to cool the turbo off a little before you exit the car... I have a friend with a turbo diesel pick up and he watches the temp of his turbo on his timer before shutting down.../


Not sure if its the same in this situation though...



Yeah but it turned off the car when i took my foot of the brake.. Is that normal?

[Dubbster]

might have just been coincidence, did you try it twice?

[Streamline]

Yeah if it keeps doing it then its a problem, but since you test drove it (I'm assuming) then the timer didn't need to keep it on that long and so it was coincidence.

[veedubber7]

I <3 my 337. I do like the black headliners though.

[PhätTony]

And in regards to a VR6 12v > 24v. But that's just preference :D


*smack*

[PhätTony]

Good point. But I was just talking about power wise... just chip the 1.8t= faster than vr6... but turbo the vr6= beats all 1.8t's... and yea if the temp was 100 degrees in the desert with a packed car (how many times do you have a packed car?) the vr6 would be better seeing as how it has more displacement and stuff but what about 50-60 degrees on a clear day by yourself? the turbo is gonna love that... I dunno its preference...:tup:


umm..when was the last time it was between 50-60 degrees around here? or in San Diego? lol

More like 80-100...:tup2:

[PhätTony]

337 - Custom, collectors item, bbs rc's, better suspension (?), red stitch true gti tradition. Recaro seats, and you cant beat the golf ball shift knob. You'll just look at your car a few years down the road and say...yep, only 1500 made and I got one of em.

Dont ever settle for just ok or good. Take your time buddy. Thats how I got a good deal. Besides dont you want to build up that car yourself? I wanted something as close to stock as I could get.

[GLOBESAK]

might have just been coincidence, did you try it twice?

Yea 3 times actually. Thats why i thought is was kinda wierd

[PhätTony]

LIMON!

Hey I would be weary to buy that then. I would start looking away rather than into

[GLOBESAK]

The 337 is basically built as far as i would want it to be. I mean a want a good daily driver thats fast and fun. I dont exactly want a track car becaseu if anything does happen iam fucked! So in this case i like the 20ae bc on the exterior it appears to be "stock", the 337 has some1 elses touch on it already.. Plus the 20ae seems to be less of an attention grabber(cops) as the more stock looking 20ae..

(337) lightly modded http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26261

[NaKoRuRu]

umm..when was the last time it was between 50-60 degrees around here? or in San Diego? lol

Umm like 2 days ago... as I was going to school my temp was 59 when I actually got to school it was 61... granted its not like that temp very often... but just as much as him being in his car in the middle of the desert with a full car in 100+ degree weather... that was my point... :rolleyes:

[GLOBESAK]

I wonder if i ddint have my foot on the brake, and just took the key out... Would it work normal like that...hmmmm

[GLOBESAK]

i will get it checked out by a VW dealership before i buy it of course...But it just worries me a lil.

[Streamline]

*smack*
Respect your roots. 12v for like (the first) 10 years and 24v for 2.5.
And pretty much all tuning for the VR6 is for the 12v. Don't hate.

[karl]

i dont know if you've read the info in this thread http://http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1523544
but it has alot of useful info. i have over 100k on my car with the stock turbo and i dont have a turbo timer and it runs just as good as it did on mile 3 (when i bought it)

[Streamline]

i dont know if you've read the info in this thread http://http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1523544
but it has alot of useful info. i have over 100k on my car with the stock turbo and i dont have a turbo timer and it runs just as good as it did on mile 3 (when i bought it)
Turbo timers just help the turbo, they are not a necessity. After a hard drive, or at least a semi-long one, it is always good to let the car sit for a few minutes to let the oil drip out of the turbo and not cake and harden. Instead of sitting in your car, it lets you carry on while the turbo gets cooled-down properly.

[karl]

Turbo timers just help the turbo, they are not a necessity. After a hard drive, or at least a semi-long one, it is always good to let the car sit for a few minutes to let the oil drip out of the turbo and not cake and harden. Instead of sitting in your car, it lets you carry on while the turbo gets cooled-down properly.

i know what they do, i was just making a point on doing a long drive or a hard drive....exiting the freeway and driving cool and letting the car run for like 30 seconds you should be good. but i dont really do this anymore, i just drive the car slow as i wait to get into my garage while the door is coming up and park

[PhätTony]

Umm like 2 days ago... as I was going to school my temp was 59 when I actually got to school it was 61... granted its not like that temp very often... but just as much as him being in his car in the middle of the desert with a full car in 100+ degree weather... that was my point... :rolleyes:


oops sorry... I mean to say. When was the last time it was 50-60 degrees in the day? Yes of course the daily low will be about 52 before and after sunset. I was speaking of the majority of the day.

One word for you Globulus Guy...replacement turbos - mucho dinero

[jwill'sMK4]

I wonder if i ddint have my foot on the brake, and just took the key out... Would it work normal like that...hmmmm


did the timer count down at all?

[mike]

337 is the way I would go, rarer, cheaper, modded, no troublesome sunroof to break, besides, cops love the yellow or blue 20AE's

As far as VR6 vs 1.8T, eh they both have there pros and cons, but they both must bow down to the 2.0T FSI! :D

[PhätTony]

337 is the way I would go, rarer, cheaper, modded, no troublesome sunroof to break, besides, cops love the yellow or blue 20AE's

As far as VR6 vs 1.8T, eh they both have there pros and cons, but they both must bow down to the 2.0T FSI! :D


THIS...IN THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE

[jwill'sMK4]

So i currently have a 01 2.8L 5spd, but i want to switch over to a newer (less miles) 1.8t..
I found a 337 w/ 63,000 and a 20ae(black) with 53,000miles. The 20ae is $2000 more, but the 337 has coilovers, and a bunch of other mods. The 20ae also has a few mods on it but no coilovers. which is a better buy??? iam confilcted..

also can u post up the exact mods on each car

i would go with the 20th cuz of fewer miles, and sun roof


a turbo timer on a car shows that the owner at least tried to take care of the turbo also i only condone coilovers for those that will actually put them to use and adjust them from time to time to me if u buy coilovers adjust them once and leave them like that u jus have a really nice and expensive set of springs shocks/struts

[jwill'sMK4]

btw guys hes looking at a bmp 20th

[GLOBESAK]

oops sorry... I mean to say. When was the last time it was 50-60 degrees in the day? Yes of course the daily low will be about 52 before and after sunset. I was speaking of the majority of the day.

One word for you Globulus Guy...replacement turbos - mucho dinero

So you would say that turbo timer issue means the turbo is going bad???


And i didnt notice the timer counting down. I just found out what a turbo timer does when i got home and researched it. Could the turbo timer just be wired wrong?:rolleyes:

[NaKoRuRu]

oops sorry... I mean to say. When was the last time it was 50-60 degrees in the day? Yes of course the daily low will be about 52 before and after sunset. I was speaking of the majority of the day.

Oh god... it was about 65 average that day.... stop yer bitchin already... and how do you know if i went to school super early? or super late? my classes start mid afternoon...

[GLOBESAK]

also can u post up the exact mods on each car

i would go with the 20th cuz of fewer miles, and sun roof


a turbo timer on a car shows that the owner at least tried to take care of the turbo also i only condone coilovers for those that will actually put them to use and adjust them from time to time to me if u buy coilovers adjust them once and leave them like that u jus have a really nice and expensive set of springs shocks/struts


Heres the 337

http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26261


ANd the 20ae (black)
intake
magnaflow exhasut
greddy turbo timer
BOV

[jwill'sMK4]

So you would say that turbo timer issue means the turbo is going bad???


And i didnt notice the timer counting down. I just found out what a turbo timer does when i got home and researched it. Could the turbo timer just be wired wrong?:rolleyes:

it could be wired wrong or it could be set to a default of 0 secs which would mean it would turn off instantly once u removed the key

i cant really say for sure tho

now the only thing i have against the 20th is that since it is black it will get dirty fast and often not only that it will be very noticeable with a silver car u can goe weeks without a wash and the car will still look clean from a distance

[PhätTony]

Actually...Andie was right!

THe average was 64 degrees in Pomona...alas that was Monday (4 days ago). lol

I'm just giving you a hard time, it means I care.

Globe: This does not mean that that turbo is going bad. Although when your spooling and it sounds unbearable...like a thousand babies screaming. Yes! that would be a blown turbo. Just have it checked out. The gauge could also be bad or its hose.

[jwill'sMK4]

they both sound like good deals id still go with the 20th and then change the BOV to a DV

[GLOBESAK]

I have a silver 12v vr6 rite now. I like it, but black looks dope when its clean.. But iam not worried about cleaning, just trying to buy the rite car.. That turbo timer thing seems a lil suspect to me. Why would it turn off after i release the brake(key being out of the ignition).. Maybe it was just a coincidence...i dnt knw iam conflicted!

[GLOBESAK]

they both sound like good deals id still go with the 20th and then change the BOV to a DV

Whats a DV?

[GLOBESAK]

Actually...Andie was right!

THe average was 64 degrees in Pomona...alas that was Monday (4 days ago). lol

I'm just giving you a hard time, it means I care.

Globe: This does not mean that that turbo is going bad. Although when your spooling and it sounds unbearable...like a thousand babies screaming. Yes! that would be a blown turbo. Just have it checked out. The gauge could also be bad or its hose.


Thanks Tony i appriciate all the helpfull advice.

[jwill'sMK4]

Diverter valve its wut 1.8ts come with and its actuall better for the car

[Streamline]

Whats a DV?
Diverter Valve, its what comes OEM and it recirculates the air back into the system as apposed to the atmosphere like a BOV, so there wont be a PSHHH noise when you shift/let off the gas liek a BOV.

[PhätTony]

well as long as its not yours yet you can ask him to take it to a shop and have it looked at on his dime. dont buy it unless you check it top to bottom. inside and out

[NaKoRuRu]

Actually...Andie was right!

THe average was 64 degrees in Pomona...alas that was Monday (4 days ago). lol

I'm just giving you a hard time, it means I care.

Globe: This does not mean that that turbo is going bad. Although when your spooling and it sounds unbearable...like a thousand babies screaming. Yes! that would be a blown turbo. Just have it checked out. The gauge could also be bad or its hose.

Well this whole next week and since like a day or so ago... its gonna be getting in the mid 80's... fuck! i hate that weather... but then after that its back down to mid 60's according to the news anyways

[GLOBESAK]

lol. I love that sound!!! PSSSHHHH..

[GLOBESAK]

is BOV bad for you Turbo?

[jwill'sMK4]

not for the turbo but its not great for ur car performnace wise

[PhätTony]

BOV's make our cars run rich

[PhätTony]

BOVs and DVs serve the same purpose, they vent excess boost from the intake tract. The difference being that a BOV vents the extra boost pressure out into the atmosphere so you are loosing that boost, a diverter valve however blows the extra boost back into the intake before the turbo so it is used to keep the turbo spinning reducing lag.

[GLOBESAK]

well as long as its not yours yet you can ask him to take it to a shop and have it looked at on his dime. dont buy it unless you check it top to bottom. inside and out
i most definatly plan on it.... But other than the turbo timer issue it seems like a solid car.. THank again Phattony....

[PhätTony]

Some people will argue that you don't want the boost recirculating because it is blowing hot air back into the turbo and you want cool air from the outside. Most cars that originally were equiped with a diverter valve seem to perform better when you stay with the diverter valve (like our VAG). It seems most peoples argument for a BOV is they like the noise it makes.

[jwill'sMK4]

Some people will argue that you don't want the boost recirculating because it is blowing hot air back into the turbo and you want cool air from the outside. Most cars that originally were equiped with a diverter valve seem to perform better when you stay with the diverter valve (like our VAG). It seems most peoples argument for a BOV is they like the noise it makes.


yes that is the common arguement but the problem with the BOV is that it lets the air out into the atmosphere which is bad for r cars because it is a closed system the air that is being released is air that has already been measured so if it is not sent back to ur intake tract then u end up running rich because ur ecu doesnt kno that the air has been released and doesnt adjust the fuel accordingly

[GLOBESAK]

What Would Phat Tony Do? lol

[PhätTony]

PhatTony would boycott Muts and Moms for taking IGGY the Dog away from Ellen!

[PhätTony]

yes that is the common arguement but the problem with the BOV is that it lets the air out into the atmosphere which is bad for r cars because it is a closed system the air that is being released is air that has already been measured so if it is not sent back to ur intake tract then u end up running rich because ur ecu doesnt kno that the air has been released and doesnt adjust the fuel accordingly

Thats exactly what I just said but nice additional sentiments Kool Mo

[GLOBESAK]

hmmmmmmmm. U make a good point jwills

[jwill'sMK4]

yea i like to seem educated about cars from time to time

[jwill'sMK4]

and its kool moe

tony dont forget the "e" son

[PhätTony]

yea i like to seem educated about cars from time to time

Now get your ass educated in school now son!

[jwill'sMK4]

Now get your ass educated in school now son!

hey im almost ready to transfer im on my grind

[PhätTony]

and its kool moe

tony dont forget the "e" son

say word son!

[jwill'sMK4]

word!!!

[GLOBESAK]

Thanks for all the help guys. Much Appriciated ..Jwills and tony

[jwill'sMK4]

No prb i figur i should contribute to something on this forum every once and a while

[GLOBESAK]

Ill update this thread after i get back from the 337 test drive.. i cant wait.

[RollinInGreenz]

Just to add, and I dont think anyone has mentioned this yet...

but the 20th AE's come with a little aluminum plaque on the dash that distinguishes yours from the other 3,999 of them.

The 337 doesn't have this little do-dad...but it's okay...because when you look down and don't see it, you think to yourself "Well, they only brought over 1,500 337's...and mine is one of them :) "

Oh, and the wheels on the 337 are the bees knees.

[jwill'sMK4]

the 337 hes looking at has aftermarket wheels

[GLOBESAK]

They sold the 337 3 days ago =(

i guess its the 20ae by default...

[GTi_01]

Nahhh, its preference... I mean you can't beat the sound of the VR6 but they are pretty much capped as far as HP unless you spend tons of $$$$ on a turbo or s/c for them. Where as the 1.8t gives you more HP for your $ and is faster than a non turbo or s/c Vr6 with just a chip. But unless thats important to you I'd still say 1.8t. But hands down if this was a turbo vr6 vs a bt 1.8t i'd be all over the vr6

vr6 is a hell of alot more reliable than a 1.8T. you don't see us fixing shit all the time.

And in regards to a VR6 12v > 24v. But that's just preference :D

:stupid: Totally agree and the engine sounds a hell of a lot better. (except against the R32)

[jwill'sMK4]

vr6 is a hell of alot more reliable than a 1.8T. you don't see us fixing shit all the time.



:stupid: Totally agree and the engine sounds a hell of a lot better. (except against the R32)


true but 1.8t are less reliable cuz were always fuckin with them yall jus drive ur VRs

i bet a stock 1.8t is jus as reliable as a vr6

[GTi_01]

true but 1.8t are less reliable cuz were always fuckin with them yall jus drive ur VRs

i bet a stock 1.8t is jus as reliable as a vr6

maybe, but we're talking about average engine performance mods. otherwise you cant compare the two cars reliability versus each other. anyways.. the two cars are in slightly different categories.

[GLOBESAK]

GRRRRRRRRr. So today i took the 20ae that i was looking to buy to the my mechanic, and the news was not soo good i guess. The car a had a few mods poorly installed, not to mention a few things that should have been connected but were not. The whole front bumper and fascia were replaced at one time as well as the crunch zone on the right front was welded together (accident) plus my tecj said it looks like its been abused(raced) a lot! it was probably some1 on this site..jk lol. Of course none of that was on the car fax report. The list go on and on with this car, good mileage w/ shitty maintanace.... Igotta say iam gratefull that i spent the time and $ to take it in before i purchased it, but i wished things would have worked out better... Just a reminder to all you folks trying to buy a car.. just because a car looks good and new still doesnt mean the car will last as long as you think...Anyhow i appriciate all the help guys.. i will continue to look for a decent 20ae that fits my budget and mileage needs.... thnkss

[GLOBESAK]

i copped a 337 BT!!!
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/GLOBESAK/DSC00134.jpg

[PhätTony]

GRRRRRRRRr. So today i took the 20ae that i was looking to buy to the my mechanic, and the news was not soo good i guess. The car a had a few mods poorly installed, not to mention a few things that should have been connected but were not. The whole front bumper and fascia were replaced at one time as well as the crunch zone on the right front was welded together (accident) plus my tecj said it looks like its been abused(raced) a lot! it was probably some1 on this site..jk lol. Of course none of that was on the car fax report. The list go on and on with this car, good mileage w/ shitty maintanace.... Igotta say iam gratefull that i spent the time and $ to take it in before i purchased it, but i wished things would have worked out better... Just a reminder to all you folks trying to buy a car.. just because a car looks good and new still doesnt mean the car will last as long as you think...Anyhow i appriciate all the help guys.. i will continue to look for a decent 20ae that fits my budget and mileage needs.... thnkss


Guess some of us are still livin in the 'Guilded Age'...whatchoo know about dat son?!

[badbidet]

Nahhh, its preference... I mean you can't beat the sound of the VR6 but they are pretty much capped as far as HP unless you spend tons of $$$$ on a turbo or s/c for them. Where as the 1.8t gives you more HP for your $ and is faster than a non turbo or s/c Vr6 with just a chip. But unless thats important to you I'd still say 1.8t. But hands down if this was a turbo vr6 vs a bt 1.8t i'd be all over the vr6

if I could have gotten a VR6 I would have just for that sweet exhaust note. I modded 1.8T(mine could keep 2-3 car lenghts infront of a modded NA vr6. But past like 80mph (on a track of course) I could not even come close to keeping up. I got the 1.8T cause I wanted the quickness (also there were no more new 24V Vr6's made when I was looking for them in 2005.

Oh. a S3+ is what $5K. The kinetics VRT kit is less than that I believe. plus a flatter powerband.

[badbidet]

GRRRRRRRRr. So today i took the 20ae that i was looking to buy to the my mechanic, and the news was not soo good i guess. The car a had a few mods poorly installed, not to mention a few things that should have been connected but were not. The whole front bumper and fascia were replaced at one time as well as the crunch zone on the right front was welded together (accident) plus my tecj said it looks like its been abused(raced) a lot! it was probably some1 on this site..jk lol. Of course none of that was on the car fax report. The list go on and on with this car, good mileage w/ shitty maintanace.... Igotta say iam gratefull that i spent the time and $ to take it in before i purchased it, but i wished things would have worked out better... Just a reminder to all you folks trying to buy a car.. just because a car looks good and new still doesnt mean the car will last as long as you think...Anyhow i appriciate all the help guys.. i will continue to look for a decent 20ae that fits my budget and mileage needs.... thnkss

Well. you had to see some of that coming. the chances of finding a limited edition car not bought by someone who would drive it how it was made to be driven is rare. like people that buy an M3 are probably driving it hard. there are some exceptions of course, but that is the mindset I use. Good luck with finding a new one. More and more are showing up cause everyone wants the new 2.0T

[tpotp]

i copped a 337 BT!!!
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/GLOBESAK/DSC00134.jpg


nice! how much?!

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$14k 45k miles

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nice man :tup:

[GLOBESAK]

Thanks! Cant Wait To Take Out On A Lil Canyon Run.