GLI Build Up

[Devils Advocate]

What up People! This the one and only Masked Murderer "Devil's Advocate" People know me in South Florida by my 20th AE Black on Black on Black on Black on....you get the deal right! I Just passed that off to my little sister and purchased a 04 GLI! This is my suspected parts list:

CAI:
CHIP:
TBE:
Pullies:
FMIC:

I need everyones advice on what you assume is the best and why. I'm not really a Euro kid. I have a 331HP Nissan 240SX back home...so help me out kids! I'm in the military stationed in San Diego but rock Florida tags so i have no idea what the fuck smog is...lol...let's get to it!

[JETTAone420]

hahah your crunk as hell !!

-nuespeed p-flow
-APR stg 2
-custom 2.5" (personal preference)
-ecs
-honestly...vortex approved an ebay fmic thats actually pretty fresh

[Devils Advocate]

That's a new one...I never got Crunk before. Thanks for the insights "Jettaone420" I'll catch you on the highway sometime...lol...

[20aeman]

What up People! This the one and only Masked Murderer "Devil's Advocate" People know me in South Florida by my 20th AE Black on Black on Black on Black on....you get the deal right! I Just passed that off to my little sister and purchased a 04 GLI! This is my suspected parts list:

CAI: NONE, waste of money
CHIP: Unitronic
TBE: Stainless: GHL, Eurojet/ Mild Steel: 42DD
Pullies: NONE, waste of money
FMIC: Eurojet for a clean fmic, Tyrolsport for a stealth smic.

I need everyones advice on what you assume is the best and why. I'm not really a Euro kid. I have a 331HP Nissan 240SX back home...so help me out kids! I'm in the military stationed in San Diego but rock Florida tags so i have no idea what the fuck smog is...lol...let's get to it!

There you go.

[Devils Advocate]

Thanks "20aeman" I never heard of the Unitronic chip. I'll have to ask around about that one. Everybody seems to be running this GIAC X+ chip so I was leaning towards that...but i will def. ask around about this Unitronic chip before i make my decision.

[badbidet]

unitronic IMO as well. it will be most likely the same for now, but when you want to go BT you can more options. Or should I say mroe successful options that is. I think you forgot the WAI. I agree with OMAR entirely though. no pullies or CAI. Eurojet for looks. tyrol for easy install. but I would get a WAI kit before a new intercooler.

[1965truckrod]

Carbonio Carbon Fiber Cold air Intake
Revo Stage 3 with programmer
Euro Sport 2.5" Turbo Back
Don't care for Pullies but heard ECS is good stuff
EIP Tuning Stage II Front Mount Intercooler.
My suggestions and the ones I am using. Best of luck

[JETTAone420]

good call on the w/a injection

[Pireboi251]

Fixed....blue=what im using or planning to use

CAI:Open box with K/N drop in, ECS tuning (only $150) , or Carbonino (worth the money b/c of the carbon)

CHIP: GIAC X+ or APR

DV (diverter valve): APR R1 or Forge 007,
also pick up a N75 "J" Valve ( DO NOT BUT A BLOW OFF VALVE FOR 1.8T)

TBE: depening on your application, (stock turbo) 2.5" GHL, ( Big turbo) 3" EUROJET or 42 draft Designs

Pullies: ECS or Eurosport, but they dont do very much.

IC: Eurotjet or EVOMS (+1 on the Side mount)
(ive seen ppl use an Ebay FM with good results)
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3172487



Heres a some threads with good info.

basic 1.8T modding
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2858459

How to make 250hp on stock turbo
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2901711

[Devils Advocate]

Ok...hold up..."Badbidet" What the hell is a IMO and a WAI? I'm assuming a WAI is a Water to Air Intercooler, still lost on the IMO thing. "Pireboi251" your saying run a open box with a K&N Filter? Cone style or drop in? Not to start any beefs but what does everybody else think about that? And i'm starting to get the vibe that noone is a big fan of CAI's on 1.8T's. My boy "Death Child" (Another member of the Masked Murderers) is making 13.9HP+ with a ABD L.A.N. CAI...and my other friend "Angle of Death" is running a AEM and made some good numbers on a Dyno... I read Euro Tuners all day and every 1.8T is running some sort of CAI...My Silvia back home is running a Intake and made good numbers...so let me in on why people on the "West Coast" are not fans of CAI's on 1.8T's!!!

[Pireboi251]

(i fixed my post above)

IMO= In My Opinion
WAI= (i think) water-alcohol injection

I mean drop in, you could run a cone off teh MAF (Mass Air Feul sensor), and get the same affect.

Heres the "CAI" in running, its pretty much what i told you, but with some dressing.

(scroll thoguh the pages, it took me awhile to update >_<)
http://socaleuro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23348&highlight=weekend

CAIs dont do every much for the 1.8T, bassically the extent of it, is that it makes more noise, The engine gets slightly throaty-er, and makes teh "woosh" blow off sound. Any gains are lost after a few weeks for so after the ECU gets used to the new air source.

Aside frrom the hydrolock risk, CAIs are a pain in the ass to install on 1.8Ts. Yes, living in CA not very much rain, but puddles can be scary when you have a CAI.

So its not that we dont like CAIs, there just not worth it to some, but if you really want a pipe shooting out your engine, ECS or Carbonino are the one i recommend. the east coast is probaly worse then we are since it rains there all the time.

My experience is to never use Euro tuner as reference for street tuning. Esspecially now, very few of the rides they feature rides are really "driven".

[zRockstar]

btw... even though you have Florida plates, you will still have to pass smog to get a base sticker, so don't get too crazy yet! :tup:

[Pireboi251]

+1...way too many ppl have told me horror stories of what happend to them ^_^

[Devils Advocate]

Chill out people...i got my base sticker and never had to do a smog test...and that wasn't even on a hook-up either. And if i do need a smog in the future...that's something i actually have a hook up on....lol...Oh and give me some feed back on this company called EuroJet. I was looking at their racing intercooler and it looks really good but does it perform? I'm more of a performance kid. I rather have a black intercooler that performs rather then a shiny one that doesn't. Let me know people!

[Batrugger]

The Eurojet race intercooler is for big turbo applications. You'll be okay with the street one

[Pireboi251]

Oh and give me some feed back on this company called EuroJet. I was looking at their racing intercooler and it looks really good but does it perform? I'm more of a performance kid. I rather have a black intercooler that performs rather then a shiny one that doesn't. Let me know people!

ive never heard one bad thing about them....:tup2: every part they sell is golden

+1 on the street IC.. unless your running a GT28R on 25psi, a street will be more then fine.

[Devils Advocate]

Thanks "Pireboi251" thanks for all the feed back. Yall kids on this website/Forum are helpful as hell! Damn.

[badbidet]

eurojet themselves say race intercooler is for turbos bigger than the gt28rs. I would honestly get the Water Alcohol Injection first. Then if you feel you need a new intercooler, then get one. They are expensive where as WAI is fairly inexpensive and will make a bigger difference. I dont like CAI cause you suck in air, then it gets heated as it goes by the turbo. THerefore it is no longer a <B>cold</B air intake. THis is why you need the intercooler in the first place. I could be wrong in my thinking but that is what I understand. The WAI will cool down the water so much more than the intercooler, the intake manifold is actually cold to the touch. look at snowperformance or devilsown. I bet you will ge tthe devilsown for obvious reasons. hehe I got my whole WAI system for about $265 for the kit, then $50 for the throttle body plate and $25 for a new nozzle. So for a lil over $300. no intercooler is that cheap unless it is a eBay one. But then you have a eBay one. :)

[huitzi]

get an apr stage 3+ kit;)

[Devils Advocate]

"GTI20AE" (I have one of those too) You saying get a APR stage 3 what? Intercooler? and "Badbidet" I will def look into this WAI thing you speak of. I dont hear too many people talking about it but i will def. give it a look! Anymore general advice people? I'm just looking to make 220HP then 270hp....then 300hp...ultimate goal of 325-350whp!

[huitzi]

apr stage 3+ turbo kit, http://goapr.com/VW/products/stage3plus_trans.html , heres my dyno sheet i did a few months back , i had cat,a boost leak, a stupid BOV that made my car run like crap and i used 91oct, i want to dyno the car again i bet itll put 300+whp...... runs so much better now............
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j192/gti20ae/DYNOSHEET.jpg


lovin it everyday ...... even though i dont drive the car that much anymore :D

[badbidet]

apr stage 3+ turbo kit, http://goapr.com/VW/products/stage3plus_trans.html , heres my dyno sheet i did a few months back , i had cat,a boost leak, a stupid BOV that made my car run like crap and i used 91oct, i want to dyno the car again i bet itll put 300+whp...... runs so much better now............
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j192/gti20ae/DYNOSHEET.jpg


lovin it everyday ...... even though i dont drive the car that much anymore :D


eek massive boost leak. you are probably running like 330ish on our infamous 91? ALso the WAI makes all turbo cars faster. It will even make the S3+ make over 340. there is one guy look for igotapresent4u on google or something. he ran S3+ by APR with a WAI kit. insane.

[RS VR6]

CAI: Doesn't matter...a 2.5 or 3 inch tube is the same no matter who makes it.
CHIP: Neuspeed, just because its CARB legal.
TBE: If you stay stock...go with a 2.5...BT 3 inch, Techtonics.
Pullies: Don't matter...they are all aluminum
FMIC: Neuspeed...because the piping is completely hidden, you don't have the IC pipes sticking out of the bumper and running across the top of the engine.

[JETTAone420]

CAI: Doesn't matter...a 2.5 or 3 inch tube is the same no matter who makes it.
CHIP: Neuspeed, just because its CARB legal.
TBE: If you stay stock...go with a 2.5...BT 3 inch, Techtonics.
Pullies: Don't matter...they are all aluminum
FMIC: Neuspeed...because the piping is completely hidden, you don't have the IC pipes sticking out of the bumper and running across the top of the engine.

-PREACH ON MANG!
-ID STILL GO WITH GIACX+
-YES SIR
-YEP
-ORLY?

...let me go look up some pics hehe

[ChriS4]

Don't do the pullies. I read an article (that included a before/after dyno) on the results of Neuspeed pullies on a gti and it actually lost a solid 3-4hp throughout the entire rpm range. So much for the claims of 5-7hp...

[20aeman]

Don't do the pullies. I read an article (that included a before/after dyno) on the results of Neuspeed pullies on a gti and it actually lost a solid 3-4hp throughout the entire rpm range. So much for the claims of 5-7hp...

This is the truth. Although the underdrive pulley setup is "supposed" to be more efficient, the added harmonics/sound from a lightweight one (stock crank pulley has a harmonic damper) will make your knock sensors go nuts, cutting timing, and will overall make your car slower.

In the grand scheme of things, intakes and pullies are a performance dead end. That's why I said to not bother in the first place.

[Devils Advocate]

Im going to post about Magnaflow's exhaust...look out for it people

[gtintense]

well this is what im runnin and it puts a smile on my face i have a 02 GTI 1.8t:)
2.5" turbo back im smog exempt in teh mountains its a megan down pipe and gredy cat-back
euro sport cai just for the rad sound
n75j valve worth its weight in gold
u gotta get a rear sway bar so that you can at least have some fun in the corners i jsut put mine on yesterday... i got the H&R 28mm since its more tucked up than the neuspeed 20minute install
if you can't afford a ic get the new south performance intake manifold spacer its poly carbonate resin concauction won't transfer heat from the head to the mani...
one turn on the waste gate downward the threads ive pulled 5 degrees of timing
bailys motor sport dv not as good as teh apr R1 i hear its the most responsive but no matter what any thing is more reliable than oem
as you can tell ima bolt on whore and as for pullies inurshia is a big deal i love windy roads i live on teh way to julian so i use the "heal toe" into a corner or rev match and the faster ur engine revs the faster you come out of a corner
al this theres more im tired of typing but im layin down 219whp off teh dyno sheet on 91 chevron with out a chip

[badbidet]

??? amazing numbers? from what again? cranked wastegate and n75? and tb? very impressive. next dyno day I will do mine. im hoping to get 215whp with all my stuff.

[Batrugger]

Im going to post about Magnaflow's exhaust...look out for it people
I have the Magnaflow with a 2.5in TT downpipe and and I love it. I had them cut out the section on both parts that adapts it to the OEM piping and weld in a straight 2.5in pipe so it is 2.5in straight through

[Devils Advocate]

Damn "GTINTENSE"...that for breaking it down for a kid. 219WHP with no chip? That's pretty impressive...imagine what numbers you could do with a nice chip setup. As for the DV...I was thinking about going "Forge" or "APR" on that one. But i'm hearing alot of people talking about dont do the pullies because they will rob a few horse power......man.....I dont know...I dont know what to think anymore. I get alot on dont do the Intake...but i already got the "ABD" intake sitting in my trunk...!!!!FUCK!!!! As for exhaust...since i'm probably gonna be stock turbo for a while...i was going to go 2.5 DP HF-Cat and 2.5 Magnaflow Exhaust...that was gonna be my first move. I need y'all opinion on the K04 turbo upgrade...get back to me

Racer Unknown

[Pireboi251]

k04.. is a good upgrade for about 280 -310 ( with the right tuning)....

a k04 you might need a get a new Dp and stuff....

this is because im assuming your spekaing of the k04-020...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3646407

[Devils Advocate]

I dont know exactly if it's the K04-020...i was going to get it from and installed by GMGracing.com

[9otpwnd]

i think the gmg kit is for the ko4 001 it gets 50-100hp instead of the 100-150hp from the ko4-020

[badbidet]

I bet you will get 215 for k04-001. They do not seem to dyno much hp, but torque seems to be stronger. I have been teetering this upgrade for some time now. I got WAI instead and I am happy for now. Even with the k04-020, they are only making 235ish. yet the chipped TT225 which is same thing basically, makes more power????weird. engine compression or somthing.

[Pireboi251]

a chipped K04-001 with TB makes 225hp according to autotech....

and you can make about 250hp on the stock turbo according to Sawko...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2901711

so id imagine a K04-020 with TB can make at least 250.

[Devils Advocate]

Ok...my ultimate goal is 350whp...Fuckin SRT-4 Fags...I'm hunting for them. So where would i find this K04-020 kit at? and "Badbidet" talk to me about this tt225 and where i could read more about it online! Thanks kids!

[badbidet]

a chipped K04-001 with TB makes 225hp according to autotech....

and you can make about 250hp on the stock turbo according to Sawko...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2901711

so id imagine a K04-020 with TB can make at least 250.

If you look at his mods, he makes this power with temporary power in mind. He ran leaded gas with octane booster as well as cranked wastegate. Basically you can make massive numbers on racegas and doing mods that really wear out the turbo, but he doesnt drive it around like that. I think the only company that makes a really good k04-020 kits is proimports, I cant find the website though.

the Audi TT225 is the TT with the k04-020 turbo on it. Then a company name proimports collected the parts and added a few custom pieces for plumbing it all together and sell it for the mk4 people.

There are some people that modify the K04 so it is almost like an k05 or E05. This is the size of the K04-001 that directly bolts on, while producing numbers closer to the k04-020 numbers. Loook at the 60 page thread on vortex about the k04-020. They do not make the power that it is claimed. much like most small to medium sized turbo kits.

[badbidet]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3000863

[20aeman]

If your looking for 350whp on pump gas, your gonna need at least a T3/t4 50 trim .63 A/R, or a GT3071. K04s and 300whp shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

[Devils Advocate]

So tell me what you would do if you had a bone stock 2004 Volkswagen GLI 1.8T

[20aeman]

In all honesty, if I needed 350whp, I'd sell it and buy a lightly used C5 Z06. More engine, tires, suspension, lighter, brakes, 50/50 weight distribution etc all for maybe an extra 5k more than a GLI.

But that's neither here nor there.

[STATUS]

What up People! This the one and only Masked Murderer "Devil's Advocate" People know me in South Florida by my 20th AE Black on Black on Black on Black on....you get the deal right! I Just passed that off to my little sister and purchased a 04 GLI! This is my suspected parts list:

CAI:
CHIP:
TBE:
Pullies:
FMIC:

I need everyones advice on what you assume is the best and why. I'm not really a Euro kid. I have a 331HP Nissan 240SX back home...so help me out kids! I'm in the military stationed in San Diego but rock Florida tags so i have no idea what the fuck smog is...lol...let's get to it!



CAI: EUROJET RACING, VF, EVOMS
CHIP:GIAC
TBE:ARQRAY, EUROJET
Pullies: JLM
FMIC:VF ENGINEER, ALPIL, EUROJET

[Pireboi251]

hey, you should buy that k04 kit in the classfieds ^_^

[RS VR6]

How would you even get traction with 350whp on the street?

Its going to be a straight-line freeway runner.

[Devils Advocate]

Actually i was going for more of a road race set up...350 would be really nice but i would be really chill with 300

[05GLIR]

There have been alot of good suggestions especially from 20aeman. If you are looking for a turbo kit that is reliable, has alot of power for the track (350ish) and can be tamed down for the street, what you want is a APR stage 3+ kit. You can change modes on the fly via cruise control switch which makes for very fun freeway driving. Along with the turbo, an intercooler such as then Eurojet will help to cool things down on hot summer days or while on the road course. Add to that water methanol injection and you'll be keeping things even cooler, saving money at the pump and add some more power along the way. You are definitly going to need some help with traction so an lsd is a must. I would go with a quaife but a peloquins are known to be good as well. While you have your transmission apart it would be a good idea to install a good clutch set-up by EIP or the like which can handle the power. For suspension, the H2sport spindles will definitly help to correct the geometry of your front suspension while you are cornering. Some good coilovers are also a must such as the Bilstein PSS/PSS9's, H&R's, KW's, they are all good. To help with the handling, polyeurothane motor mounts and control arm bushings should also be used. As far as brakes go, the current ones in my opinion and experience, are suffice so long as you change the brakes lines and use a more aggressive pad at the track.

If you are planning on hitting the track often, or as added insurance, it is very advisable to upgrade the internals of your engine with atleast some new rods. The pistons can handle it given you properly maintain your car and keep a good tune at all times. BUT, to be on the safe side, you can also install stronger ones while you are doing the rods. Also, just to be safe, you will need an EGT, Air/Fuel, and a boost guage installed inside your car.

To finish it off, I highly recommend Redline Transmission fluid and ATE blue brake fluid. GL