Its Super Tuesday ... the election begins

[ncttrnl]

And I really couldn't give a rat's ass about who's running for president.

[Kelly Girl]

it's the apathy of the masses that stunts these elections.
if enough apathetics took action, we'd have a critical mass ... of apathetics but a critical mass nonetheless

[ncttrnl]

I'm just tired of picking the lesser of the evils all the time.

I'm more concerned with local issues. The electoral college will launder my vote in the presidential elections anyway.

[Kelly Girl]

"A democracy is defined as "rule by the people." If the people fail to take the initiative and the time to participate in the numerous forums available to them, then they are failing democracy.
Failure of democracy through peoples' apathy is the only way that peoples' opinions and participation will be remain unheard and unimportant.
So to everyone who feels that they are not an important part of the government and therefore choose not to participate, those actions are what cause the lack of importance of the common people in government actions ..."
Erin Moffet for THE PENDULUM
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I found the above quote online this morning... thought i'd share it with all of you, especially today --irregardless of your political afiliations, VOTE.
You may think that one vote does not matter, but one vote can be the tipping point of a politician winning their office, or a measure/bill winning or losing on the ballot.
I am so goddamed sick of hearing people say 'i'm not voting, i don't care, my opinion doesn't count' what the heck ever! you are given this freedom to vote, and given this opportunity to let your one opinion be heard.
political apathy is killing our democracy.. just think all the people who don't vote are creating their own subculture of political atheists. this becomes a critical mass of do-nothings.
think about how many votes are potentially lost.
think about how much of an effect that amount of lost votes could have on an election.
so, do your civic duty and vote. it's your priveledge, your really want to waste it??

[wikedgolf]

***this might piss you off… but that’s my opinion

Every politicians promises change in every election. They tell people what they want to hear to get in to office and when they do get in things don’t change much. Change happens on its own and you cant force it.

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

C: Mitt is a head of the Mormon majority, he’ll do way with a women choice to have an abortion and stem cell research. If I get rapped and knocked up by that person, there’s no way I’m bring an unwanted baby made with hatred. That means I have to go to Mexico to take care of things.


AND not matter how much a canidet promise to take troops out of the Iraq and end the war. It’s just not going to magically happen over night. It's going to take many more years to clean up this mess. You cant pull our resources out of a country that is depended on us. If we pull out and leave them helpless we create a new enemy for the US. And the problems will grow and it will never end. You cant chance an world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.

[Kelly Girl]

maybe we need a 'none of the above' option for the Canidates

[ncttrnl]

maybe we need a 'none of the above' option for the Canidates

Its called "abstain"

edit:

I should say, I don't really advocate not voting. Its just my decision this time around that my vote doesn't matter and I don't have any preference in candidate.

[madajb]

http://www.thebucks.net/barfoo/oolong_pancake.jpg
-ajb

[Paul]

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

Uh what? Bill didn't come up with a fraudulent reason to invade Iraq... Bush was in office on 9/11. a full 8 months in office. Don't connect the war mess with Clinton, blame his administration for not taking more pro-active actions against terrorism but the war is all Bush's fault and no one elses.

Mel what you're saying doesn't piss me off, more so how anyone could think some of the things you do.. wow.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

Congress and his name is spelled Obama.

[wikedgolf]

Uh what? Bill didn't come up with a fraudulent reason to invade Iraq... Bush was in office on 9/11. a full 8 months in office. Don't connect the war mess with Clinton, blame his administration for not taking more pro-active actions against terrorism but the war is all Bush's fault and no one elses.

Mel what you're saying doesn't piss me off, more so how anyone could think some of the things you do.. wow.



Congress and his name is spelled Obama.

and thats another reason why i dont vote. i do fallow this stiff and i dont have time to learn it all.

[wikedgolf]

Uh what? Bill didn't come up with a fraudulent reason to invade Iraq... Bush was in office on 9/11. a full 8 months in office. Don't connect the war mess with Clinton, blame his administration for not taking more pro-active actions against terrorism but the war is all Bush's fault and no one elses.

Mel what you're saying doesn't piss me off, more so how anyone could think some of the things you do.. wow.


from what i've been told from several millatary people (not one but several people in the military have told me this), Bush wasn’t even sworn in as president when we got bombed, yes he won the election, but bush wasn’t sworn in until a couple of weeks after the bombing. that would have made Clinton still acting president. the people that told me also told me most people doens relize it.

[IfYouSeeKay]

***this might piss you off… but that’s my opinion

Every politicians promises change in every election. They tell people what they want to hear to get in to office and when they do get in things don’t change much. Change happens on its own and you cant force it.

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

C: Mitt is a head of the Mormon majority, he’ll do way with a women choice to have an abortion and stem cell research. If I get rapped and knocked up by that person, there’s no way I’m bring an unwanted baby made with hatred. That means I have to go to Mexico to take care of things.


AND not matter how much a canidet promise to take troops out of the Iraq and end the war. It’s just not going to magically happen over night. It's going to take many more years to clean up this mess. You cant pull our resources out of a country that is depended on us. If we pull out and leave them helpless we create a new enemy for the US. And the problems will grow and it will never end. You cant chance an world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.

FYI:
Obama is not a Muslim. He is a practicing Christian. His Father WAS a Muslim, but lost his faith and became a Confirmed Athiest, just like his Wife.

[Paul]

Ummm... who are your military friends because Bush was inaugurated Jan 20th, 2001.

Elections in November... inauguration in Jan.

[wikedgolf]

FYI:
Obama is not a Muslim. He is a practicing Christian. His Father WAS a Muslim, but lost his faith and became a Confirmed Athiest, just like his Wife.

see, you learn some thing new every day.
:tup:

[Kelly Girl]

so any thoughts on

Ron Paul

John McCain

Mike Huckabee

we've not covered everyone here yet

[IfYouSeeKay]

Huckabee needs to put down his Bass.... needs to do more speeches.
All the stoners i know are voting for Ron Paul because he made a comment somewhere (supposedly) that he would legalize Pot.
And my Military friends are voting for McCain because he was a POW.

Thats about it.

Oh.. and Hilary needs to stop weeping.

[Kelly Girl]

i have personal gains if McCain wins

[i have an autographed copy of his book]

[wikedgolf]

so any thoughts on

Ron Paul

John McCain

Mike Huckabee

we've not covered everyone here yet

Ron Paul: every time i see this name, it makes me think of those monkeys that you can buy at Tillys

John McCain: He tells people whats really going to happen, he doesnt cover it up with "change" and empty promises. this is whats hurt him in the race, he should ahve sugar coated every thing like every one eals. But out of every one he does understand that "change" isnt going to be easy

Mike Huckabee: I duno. i havent heard much about him



i like these talks

[IfYouSeeKay]

i have personal gains if McCain wins

[i have an autographed copy of his book]
Oh cool then... im voting for McCain for Kelly. ;)

[Kelly Girl]

aw man Mel, Chuck Norris is backing Huckabee

[creanium]

Wow ... just wow. Like Paul said, you haven't said anything that pisses me off. I'm just blown away with the kind of misinformation you have. I don't know why I'm even going to try but ...

Every politicians promises change in every election. They tell people what they want to hear to get in to office and when they do get in things don’t change much. Change happens on its own and you cant force it.

So what, we should just always accept the status quo since "there's no way to change anything, so why even try"?

Not that any one candidate can miraculously come into office and turn everything around and everyone is wealthy and successful, but obviously people aren't happy with the way things are in this country so they'll rally behind someone who appears to have new ideas.

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

While I agree Hilary has already had her 8 years of being President, it's not Bil's fault for us being in Iraq.

Bush took office January 2001. 9-11 happened on September 11, 2001. Bush was in office for 8 months when it hit.

Secondly, the whole mess in Iraq is 100% the doings of Bush and his cronies. We have no right being in Iraq, other than to clean up the mess we've already created.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

OBAMA IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM. He is Christian.

He spent two years at a predominantly-Muslim school in Indonesia when he was 8 years old.

Two years before that he attended a Catholic school.

Since the mid-1980's he has been a member of the United Christian Church and has been a practicing Christian since then.

Want more? http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php

C: Mitt is a head of the Mormon majority, he’ll do way with a women choice to have an abortion and stem cell research. If I get rapped and knocked up by that person, there’s no way I’m bring an unwanted baby made with hatred. That means I have to go to Mexico to take care of things.

In the US we have a little thing called Checks and Balances. The President can't just unilaterally create his own laws. He can propose new laws in Congress, but it's up to Congress (both the House and the Senate) to create the laws and vote to approve them.

Even then, the Supreme Court has already approved and set the precedence that it is unconstitutional for the government to forbid abortions from being performed.

In addition to that, many states have passed laws to maintain the legality of abortion if Roe v. Wade is overturned, and those states include California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Nevada and Washington.

Romney isn't the first candidate to come along with the worry of Roe v. Wade being overturned either. Guess what? Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Dubya all oppose abortion and the Roe v. Wade decision, but look, it's still standing!

Your fears there are quite unfounded ...

AND not matter how much a canidet promise to take troops out of the Iraq and end the war. It’s just not going to magically happen over night. It's going to take many more years to clean up this mess. You cant pull our resources out of a country that is depended on us. If we pull out and leave them helpless we create a new enemy for the US. And the problems will grow and it will never end. You cant chance an world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.

Actually, I agree with you here. Any candidate who says they are willing to pull the troops out immediately has lost my support. Yes we created a mess over there, but it's also our responsibility to clean it up. Our troops being there help keep things propped up for now and pulling them out will only cause more instability.

[Kelly Girl]

good source of political info... really

http://english.aljazeera.net/English


BTW, my fave professor from CSUF has a commentary tonite on this site.. look for Dr. Nancy Snow [she rules]

[Anonymous]

***this might piss you off… but that’s my opinion

Every politicians promises change in every election. They tell people what they want to hear to get in to office and when they do get in things don’t change much. Change happens on its own and you cant force it.

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

C: Mitt is a head of the Mormon majority, he’ll do way with a women choice to have an abortion and stem cell research. If I get rapped and knocked up by that person, there’s no way I’m bring an unwanted baby made with hatred. That means I have to go to Mexico to take care of things.


AND not matter how much a canidet promise to take troops out of the Iraq and end the war. It’s just not going to magically happen over night. It's going to take many more years to clean up this mess. You cant pull our resources out of a country that is depended on us. If we pull out and leave them helpless we create a new enemy for the US. And the problems will grow and it will never end. You cant chance an world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.


WOW!
Once again(refering to another thread) big opinions and a lack of good

information.

As was pointed out to you already... Clinton was out of office well before

Spetember 11. Bush was "elected" in November 2000, inaugurated in January

2001. September 11th 2001 was when we were "bombed". It scares the shit out

of me that you say, "from what i've been told from several millatary people (not

one but several people in the military have told me this), Bush wasn’t even sworn

in as president when we got bombed, yes he won the election, but bush wasn’t

sworn in until a couple of weeks after the bombing." WOW!

Obama is Christian not Muslim(also already pointed out). How many of your military

people also believe this to be true.

It scares and irritates me that people are so ignorant to the facts but

believe so strongly in it. So strongly that they will vote based on that ignorance.

Not trying to be mean Mel. When I say ignorant I mean it in the literal, dictionary

sense. I'm ignorant to deep sea fishing, for example.

[wikedgolf]

Wow ... just wow. Like Paul said, you haven't said anything that pisses me off. I'm just blown away with the kind of misinformation you have. I don't know why I'm even going to try but ...




It scares and irritates me that people are so ignorant to the facts but

believe so strongly in it. So strongly that they will vote based on that ignorance.

Not trying to be mean Mel. When I say ignorant I mean it in the literal, dictionary

sense. I'm ignorant to deep sea fishing, for example.




do you know whats scarier... people that believe this and are voting.

Thats why i dont vote. i hear things from all over so nothing makes since. So why vote when things dont make since. I figure i'd let people who know their shit vote. I dont put in time to read all this.. its all forign to me so why just vote to vote when you dont know and dont understand things.

[creanium]

Wow ... just wow. Like Paul said, you haven't said anything that pisses me off. I'm just blown away with the kind of misinformation you have. I don't know why I'm even going to try but ...


do you know whats scarier... people that believe this and are voting.

Thats why i dont vote. i hear things from all over so nothing makes since. So why vote when things dont make since. I figure i'd let people who know their shit vote. I dont put in time to read all this.. its all forign to me so why just vote to vote when you dont know and dont understand things.

I completely agree and thankful you recognize you don't know enough to make an informed decision. If it doesn't make sense, don't form an opinion.

Unfortunately, and as Anonymous already said, too many people form ignorant opinions and are very strong in their convictions and vote based on conjecture and rumors and don't take the time to spend a few minutes reading to find out what really is going on.

[wikedgolf]

ps: i like geting people to talk about issuses :)

[paultakeda]

And I really couldn't give a rat's ass about who's running for president.

Oddly enough, new, young voters are turning out in record numbers this year, particularly for the Democratic primary.

Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

Paul already mentioned that Obama is not a Muslim -- that's just about right up there when the Bush campaign in 2000 spread the word that McCain had a black baby. Second, we're not done yet fighting a religious crusade in the name of enforced democracy, let alone start a new one in the name of Islam.



Ron Paul's like a sane Perot. Frankly, he's too honest to make it. He can't do the politicking required to get anything done. If he were running for dictator, then that'd be different.

Mitt Romney's an interesting candidate. He's just a bit too smooth. His views are unclear, though decidedly "Republican" (and I use that term based on current representation, not actual word definition). He'll be slick and wily.

Huckabee, depending on where you stand, is either potentially great or potentially devastating. The man has charisma and is a capable leader. He is openly representative of the same "evangelical Christian" moral compass of the current administration -- and in a way, he will likely continue the agenda of the current administration, only he'll be much more blunt and honest about it.

McCain's an environmental warhawk, a perfect mix of issues that would be championed by two different sides, making him a very complex person to peg. It's why he's touted as the conservative liberals would elect, and also why the conservatives would hate to elect. I am unsure as to how he can handle the office -- he certainly wasn't able to handle the machinations of the Bush campaign in 2000.

Clinton is a master politician and is very capable in pushing an agenda in her own interest. This is a strength, she can definitely push and with support and maneuvering on her part is a capable leader, but this is also her weakness -- politics as usual is never a good platform for a party out of power so she has to stump for change -- and she just plain isn't, even if she is a woman.

Obama is the charismatic young man and by that alone is a symbol of change. His being African-American provides an additional visual for that symbol. He is untested, but to many this also means change, and that excites them.

[Paul]

Obama Clinton ticket... now that'll be an interesting test for this country. How far have we come in racial and gender acceptance. We'll find out in Nov.

[paultakeda]

Obama Clinton ticket... now that'll be an interesting test for this country. How far have we come in racial and gender acceptance. We'll find out in Nov.


I seriously doubt Clinton would go for an Obama/Clinton ticket. She's his senior, she's put in too much time getting to the top.

As for Obama, if he wants to get anywhere, he'd turn down a Clinton/Obama ticket -- that's a death sentence. Al Gore couldn't do much with Hillary as the First Lady, now the situation is a reverse where Hillary will look to Bill and Barack will get nowhere.

[RollinInGreenz]

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

You cant change a world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.

I'll take the second part first...

"You just have to deal with it"

so..how might you suggest we "deal" with a country harbouring untold numbers of known terrorists and folks with strong anti-US sentiments...we don't harm them, they don't slay us infidels? sounds fair... good luck with that...last I checked "fair" wasn't high on the Wartime vocab list.

I'm not going to make any suggestions as to what should be done, because I'm smart enough to not shoot my mouth off when I lack knowledge of the issues under discussion...what I will say, is that I am an American, and therefore support our fighting men and women who put it on the line to make things happen for our country and its allies.


and for the first part:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! :ha:

[Slapshotnerd]

***this might piss you off… but that’s my opinion

Every politicians promises change in every election. They tell people what they want to hear to get in to office and when they do get in things don’t change much. Change happens on its own and you cant force it.

A: I don’t think having another Clinton in the office is smart. Its bill’s fault for us being in the war mess we’re in now. He was the acting president when we where bombed and it was his office that chose to ignore the threats. What stops Hillary from going back to the way we where when they just ignored threats.

B: Obohma is Muslim (not knocking it) but what’s not going to stop him from going over seas to fight any religious crusades in the name of Muslim every where.

C: Mitt is a head of the Mormon majority, he’ll do way with a women choice to have an abortion and stem cell research. If I get rapped and knocked up by that person, there’s no way I’m bring an unwanted baby made with hatred. That means I have to go to Mexico to take care of things.


AND not matter how much a canidet promise to take troops out of the Iraq and end the war. It’s just not going to magically happen over night. It's going to take many more years to clean up this mess. You cant pull our resources out of a country that is depended on us. If we pull out and leave them helpless we create a new enemy for the US. And the problems will grow and it will never end. You cant chance an world that has lived they way they’ve lived for thousands and thousands of years. You just have to deal with it.

god damn. Power to the ignorant?? :tdown:

[bugzy]

what if Obama was Osama in disguise !!

wouldnt it be safer to vote for the white gal?

[wikedgolf]

HA.. i love saying off the wall things to get you guys to talk.

[Kelly Girl]

you mean Hitlery?

[bugzy]

you mean Hitlery?
i hope she sleeps with an intern :)

i would be proud of her

[vr6gtiguy]

hate to be the rain cloud here, but we will never be out of Iraq, ever...... look at our history, we invaded japan, now we have bases there, germany, yep got them there to, you name a location, we more then likely have a presence there. weither it be an Marines there on MSG duty protecting a dignitary, or some small detachment of Soilders out there "just in case" we got men and women there. as for politics..... its hard to point at one canidate an say "i like you the best" an vote for them, they all have good qualitys, and they all have the ones that you cant stand.... i personaly like John McCain, the man has been through hell, and back. to me, that means alot. i guess alot has to do with his military back ground, that he proudly displays. eh, but to each there own. vote for who you want, just make sure its the right choice ya know :)


jus my 2 cents

[vr6gtiguy]

i hope she sleeps with an intern :)

i would be proud of her


oh dear god wouldnt that be funny. what do you think the name would be Mark Lewkouski or something would be great lol

[bugzy]

oh dear god wouldnt that be funny. what do you think the name would be Mark Lewkouski or something would be great lol
i definitely would vote for her, if she does it

[vr6gtiguy]

perfect revenge wouldnt it be lol

[madajb]

but obviously people aren't happy with the way things are in this country so they'll rally behind someone who appears to have new ideas.

"appears" being the key word here.

it's not Bil's fault for us being in Iraq.

Bush took office January 2001. 9-11 happened on September 11, 2001. Bush was in office for 8 months when it hit.

9/11 was the inevitable result of U.S. empire building. You cannot absolve Clinton of all responsibilty.

Secondly, the whole mess in Iraq is 100% the doings of Bush and his cronies.

Complete crap. 373 people voted for the Iraq War resolution. They all bear blame.

-ajb

[bugzy]

everyone respects Bill Clinton, especially around the world, those 3rd world countries got no problems with Bill sleeping around lil bit, after all, they have multiple wifes

but do they respect Bush ... *ponders*

[madajb]

Oddly enough, new, young voters are turning out in record numbers this year, particularly for the Democratic primary.

Which isn't neccesarily a good thing since, by and large, they seem to be attracted to the same empty, all show no substance style of politics.
Remember, this is the same demographic that keeps American Idol on the air.


Ron Paul's like a sane Perot. Frankly, he's too honest to make it. He can't do the politicking required to get anything done. If he were running for dictator, then that'd be different.

heh. He seems to captivate the same pseudo-libeterian, conspiracy theory followers. No charts, though.

Mitt Romney's an interesting candidate. He's just a bit too smooth.

It's historically interesting that Romney's religon is not the focus of feverish debate*. Witness the furor of JFK's religon. I suppose a viable female and a viable black candidate can even overshadow religon.
*outside of the fringes.

Huckabee... and in a way, he will likely continue the agenda of the current administration, only he'll be much more blunt and honest about it.

Huckabee interests me. In someways he seems a perfect candidate, in others, he's truly frightening. I wonder about his ability to resist the lure of the fundamentalist backers.

McCain - I am unsure as to how he can handle the office

He wants to be president far too much to be trusted with it.

Clinton is a master politician and is very capable in pushing an agenda in her own interest.

Stereotypical Southern Politican. Backroom deals would be the order of the day.

Obama.. He is untested, but to many this also means change, and that excites them.
He gets good reviews from both sides of the aisle in Illinois. I'm not sure that a few terms in the Legislature is experience enough for an Executive position. I'd like to see him as a Governor.

-ajb

[creanium]

"appears" being the key word here.

That's why I used such wording ;)

9/11 was the inevitable result of U.S. empire building. You cannot absolve Clinton of all responsibilty.

I was a little too black-and-white in my assertion there. I was simply responding to Mel's "Bill was in office when we were bombed" and I took it a little far.

I do not absolve Clinton of all responsibility. I still hold him responsible for not going after Osama when he had the chance. Among other failings and non-actions ...

Complete crap. 373 people voted for the Iraq War resolution. They all bear blame.

-ajb

Believe me I'm aware of that. But those 373 people (and the American people) were convinced somehow to give him that power. Did the UN know something we didn't or are we just more gullible?

In other words, I agree with you. :p

[madajb]

But those 373 people (and the American people) were convinced somehow to give him that power. Did the UN know something we didn't or are we just more gullible?

War is always good for a politician in the beginning. It's only when it comes time to pay the piper that they regret their haste.

In other words, I agree with you. :p
Now, where's the fun in that?
-ajb

[creanium]

Now, where's the fun in that?
-ajb

oh come on, you should know by now that A) I'm not ignorant, which leads to B) I generally agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Huckabee interests me. In someways he seems a perfect candidate, in others, he's truly frightening. I wonder about his ability to resist the lure of the fundamentalist backers.
-ajb

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.� - Huckabee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzwX9Opmzgk

Frightening? Yes.
A very likable guy though.

[20AE#1999]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/aedub1999/DSC_0008.jpg
That is all:tup2:

[mr_wrong]

you mean Hitlery?


Bush 2.0 seems more fitting.

She's the only viable candidate the Republicans have..

[paultakeda]

373 people voted for the Iraq War resolution. They all bear blame.

One of them being Mrs. Clinton.

[RollinInGreenz]

so posts are getting deleted now?

[IfYouSeeKay]

I voted too.
BTW:
Hmm... i didnt think the Mods/Admins deleted posts on this site.

[madajb]

Hmm... i didnt think the Mods/Admins deleted posts on this site.
Happens all the time, when said posts are offensive or trolling.

-ajb

[Monster8V]

A funny thing happened to me and the wife today when we went to vote.

We were both told we were nonpartisian when we are both had been registered as republicans since forever. So we only got to vote (NO) on all the bullshit props.

Im getting beyond sick of this political system. Sicker of who got votes.
The Republican party is dead.

[IfYouSeeKay]

A funny thing happened to me and the wife today when we went to vote.

We were both told we were nonpartisian when we are both had been registered as republicans since forever. So we only got to vote (NO) on all the bullshit props.

Im getting beyond sick of this political system. Sicker of who got votes.
The Republican party is dead.
Same thing happened to me except i was able to vote for a Democrat if I wanted to... AND i didnt. WTF.

[paultakeda]

The Republican party is dead.

Hell, man, it's been dead (or off-mission) since 1912!

[madajb]

Hell, man, it's been dead (or off-mission) since 1912!

"This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in."
T.R. Chicago, IL, June 17, 1912

-ajb

[PhätTony]

"A democracy is defined as "rule by the people." If the people fail to take the initiative and the time to participate in the numerous forums available to them, then they are failing democracy.
Failure of democracy through peoples' apathy is the only way that peoples' opinions and participation will be remain unheard and unimportant.
So to everyone who feels that they are not an important part of the government and therefore choose not to participate, those actions are what cause the lack of importance of the common people in government actions ..."
Erin Moffet for THE PENDULUM
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I found the above quote online this morning... thought i'd share it with all of you, especially today --irregardless of your political afiliations, VOTE.
You may think that one vote does not matter, but one vote can be the tipping point of a politician winning their office, or a measure/bill winning or losing on the ballot.
I am so goddamed sick of hearing people say 'i'm not voting, i don't care, my opinion doesn't count' what the heck ever! you are given this freedom to vote, and given this opportunity to let your one opinion be heard.
political apathy is killing our democracy.. just think all the people who don't vote are creating their own subculture of political atheists. this becomes a critical mass of do-nothings.
think about how many votes are potentially lost.
think about how much of an effect that amount of lost votes could have on an election.
so, do your civic duty and vote. it's your priveledge, your really want to waste it??

actually we dont live in a true democracy kitten.

[paultakeda]

"This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in."
T.R. Chicago, IL, June 17, 1912

-ajb

Ah, T.R. An imperialist demagogue, but still a favorite of mine, though I'm pretty sure he'd've invaded Iraq... but the key difference? He'd've done it whole hog and we'd be done. :)

[madajb]

Ah, T.R. An imperialist demagogue, but still a favorite of mine, though I'm pretty sure he'd've invaded Iraq... but the key difference? He'd've done it whole hog and we'd be done. :)

Well, the Roosevelt Corollary was directed towards Latin America. I suppose it's possible it would have stretched out to the Middle East. Unlike some of our "leaders", T.R. had actually been there.
I prefer to think, however, that he'd have focused on conservation to reduce our dependence on the heathens in the first place.
Of course, in this day and age, he'd never get elected in the first place. Imagine the fun O'Reilly and Co. would have with a President who was against Christmas trees. It's a War on Christmas! heh.

-ajb

[Kelly Girl]

actually we dont live in a true democracy kitten.

Tony,

I was only quoting from an article... Utopia = democracy
but if we don't vote, we don't have a chance at improving our democracy now do we?

[paultakeda]

Well, the Roosevelt Corollary was directed towards Latin America. I suppose it's possible it would have stretched out to the Middle East. Unlike some of our "leaders", T.R. had actually been there.
I prefer to think, however, that he'd have focused on conservation to reduce our dependence on the heathens in the first place.
Of course, in this day and age, he'd never get elected in the first place. Imagine the fun O'Reilly and Co. would have with a President who was against Christmas trees. It's a War on Christmas! heh.

-ajb

It's kinda funny to think it, but in a way, McCain is like a T.R.-lite. A war veteran, an environmentalist, and a bit of a warhawk.

[madajb]

It's kinda funny to think it, but in a way, McCain is like a T.R.-lite. A war veteran, an environmentalist, and a bit of a warhawk.

A Republican the Republican Party doesn't actually want?

-ajb

[Kelly Girl]

ahh the irony

[fcastle]

I dunno, voting is over, but most of the front runners were hiding some shit.]

McCain: Kept POWs families from getting info about their loved ones. WTF is that, his whole deal is the war veteran schtick. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0523,schanberg,64705,6.html

Hillary: Probably had Vince Foster killed and then got it covered up.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html

Barak: Has major backing from slumlord in his district including the purchase of his own home:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article


I guess you really only have to work toward hillary and whoever the republicans chose, they'll kill obama if he actually wins. He'll be the JFK for our generation. The south wont allow it. They're still waving state flags w/confederated colors on them.

[paultakeda]

A Republican the Republican Party doesn't actually want?

-ajb

Oh, right, I forgot about that bit! Nice one.

Of course, being T.R.-lite means he took it lying down in 2000 instead of forming a new party....

[bugzy]

anyone keeping up ?

[veedubber7]

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[youatemynachos]

i love tuesdays...
dollar fish taco!