Impeachment: Bush and Cheney

[DTolo]

I am watching C-Span:

It looks as though, tomorrow, 25 July 2008 at 10am EST Impeachment hearings for both President Bush and Vice President Cheney will be brought in front of the Judiciary Committee.

R-Iowa Rep. Steve King, brought up the point that Sen. Obama is actually in charge of the Judiciary Committee.

He points out that there are no true coincidences in Gov't...

Anyhow, most of you get the idea...

Discuss???

[karl]

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[Agent Orange]

Securing his spot a bit early isn't he?

[mike]

Right? This would have been great, oh, 5 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, but with 6 months left in office? I smell Obama making a political move for nothing but his own ends.

[veedubber7]

Obama has said that he opposes impeachment

[DTolo]

Obama has said that he opposes impeachment

It took Obama's signature in order for the impeachment hearings to happen; or at least it was made to seem that way when I was watching the program.

Not to mention, as the representative of Iowa was making his speech, bring all this up... Sen. Obama was the speaker of the house. You know, the head guy on the big podium in front of everyone. The Rep actually got reprimanded/warned for referring him directly as "Obama" instead of "Mr. Speaker". I thought that was funny...

Wait, does this mean I am getting old? 24 and watching C-Span?

[creanium]

It took Obama's signature in order for the impeachment hearings to happen; or at least it was made to seem that way when I was watching the program.

Not to mention, as the representative of Iowa was making his speech, bring all this up... Sen. Obama was the speaker of the house. You know, the head guy on the big podium in front of everyone. The Rep actually got reprimanded/warned for referring him directly as "Obama" instead of "Mr. Speaker". I thought that was funny...

Wait, does this mean I am getting old? 24 and watching C-Span?

Umm - isn't Pelosi the Speaker of the House?

[creanium]

See article from Jul 15: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE21FOVAfMfEbAE5LDwiYm8fGh4QD91UJD6O1

WASHINGTON (AP) — Rep. Dennis Kucinich's single impeachment article will get a committee hearing — but not on removing President Bush from office.

The House on Tuesday voted 238-180 to send his article of impeachment — for Bush's reasoning for taking the country to war in Iraq — to the Judiciary Committee, which buried Kucinich's previous effort.

This time, the panel will open hearings. But House Democratic leaders emphatically said the proceedings will not be about Bush's impeachment, a first step in the Constitution's process of a removing a president from office.

Instead, the panel will conduct an election-year review — possibly televised — of anything Democrats consider to be Bush's abuse of power. Kucinich, D-Ohio, is likely to testify. But so will several scholars and administration critics, Democrats said.

The hearing is a modest gesture by House Democratic leaders to members like Kucinich who insist that Bush's reasons for going to war meet the standard for impeachment. Kucinich had said that if his impeachment article is tabled he would just propose another one.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear since she ascended to that post that there would be no impeachment proceedings. But that didn't stop Kucinich from introducing 35 articles of impeachment, spending four hours in June reading them on the House floor and demanding hearings. The House summarily dispatched them for burial to the Judiciary Committee.

Kucinich came back with a single article, which was read into the record Tuesday. As it did with the others, the House referred it to the panel, chaired by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich.

But this time, Pelosi said with a conspicuous lack of enthusiasm, that it would see some committee action.

Democratic aides said the hearing could take place as soon as next week.

The impeachment resolution alleges that Bush misled the public into thinking that he had no choice but to wage war on Iraq and implied that Iraq had helped al-Qaida with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Democratic aides have widely suggested those gauging the bill's prospects look to a precedent: the impeachment articles against Vice President Dick Cheney, which were sent to Conyers' committee in November. There's no evidence they will be considered before the Bush administration leaves office in January.

Those were Kucinich's, too. Republicans, seeing a chance to force Democrats into an embarrassing debate, voted to bring up the resolution. Democrats countered by pushing through a motion to scuttle the bill from the floor.

So really, this is all Kucinich, and it's actually not impeachment hearings ...

[Monster8V]

this is more of the "put us in charge and well make your world a better place" tactics they used the regain control of the house.

So, what have they done that they promised they would do when they got the house??

Thats right, big fat nothing.

Just another do nothing ploy. YAWN!!!

[SoCal_GLI]

there are impeach bush picketers in ramona every weekend...what a bunch of morons

[DTolo]

See article from Jul 15: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE21FOVAfMfEbAE5LDwiYm8fGh4QD91UJD6O1



So really, this is all Kucinich, and it's actually not impeachment hearings ...

What I was hearing last night didn't quite sound the same as that article from the 15th. But who knows. The hearings as they were being called last night will be brought forward by 4 different representatives.

I thought N. Pelosi was/is the speaker, but the camera did show Sen. Obama at the big podium, so maybe he was filling in.

[mario]

I'd be okay with an impeachment hearing. . . for the symbolism of it.


(the damage is done, ppl!)

[Anonymous]

It took Obama's signature in order for the impeachment hearings to happen; or at least it was made to seem that way when I was watching the program.

Not to mention, as the representative of Iowa was making his speech, bring all this up... Sen. Obama was the speaker of the house. You know, the head guy on the big podium in front of everyone. The Rep actually got reprimanded/warned for referring him directly as "Obama" instead of "Mr. Speaker". I thought that was funny...

Wait, does this mean I am getting old? 24 and watching C-Span?

I don't think that could have been recent footage. Obama has been and is still in Europe isn't he?

[ncttrnl]

Politics...

I don't even bother paying attention anymore.

[Anonymous]

this is more of the "put us in charge and well make your world a better place" tactics they used the regain control of the house.

So, what have they done that they promised they would do when they got the house??

Thats right, big fat nothing.

Just another do nothing ploy. YAWN!!!

Several media outlets have reported recent claims by Senate Republicans, President Bush, and members of his administration that Democrats are currently presiding, or may soon preside, over a "do-nothing Congress" without challenging the claim in any way. These claims are apparently part of a strategy laid out in a "talking-points memorandum" reportedly "circulat[ed]" by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) that advises Republicans to attack congressional Democrats for their supposed lack of legislative accomplishments. In fact, Republicans have blocked Senate action at an unprecedented rate -- apparently putting into action a strategy that Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-MS) described as "obstructionist."

A July 24 Washington Times article reported that Kyl was "meeting with members" of the Senate Republican Conference "yesterday and today to disseminate a message critical of Democrats for endlessly debating the Iraq war, stalling judicial nominations and squandering time on at least 300 investigations of the Bush administration." The article also reported that Kyl had "circulat[ed]" a talking-points memo to Republicans that "criticize[d]" Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) "for letting legislative priorities languish." Kyl, Lott, and Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) reinforced this message during an afternoon press conference (subscription required) on July 24 in which they criticized Democrats by asserting that "we [Congress] are literally doing nothing," in Cornyn's words.

But according to a July 20 McClatchy Newspapers article, "This year Senate Republicans are threatening filibusters to block more legislation than ever before," as Media Matters for America documented. These actions are consistent with the acknowledgement by Lott in an April 18 Roll Call article (subscription required) that the GOP is employing an "obstructionist" strategy in the Senate: "The strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail. ... For [former Senate Democratic Leader Tom] Daschle (S.D.), it failed. For [then-Senate Minority Leader Harry] Reid, it succeeded, and so far it's working for us." Further, a July 26 Washington Post article quoted Republican Rep. Ray LaHood (IL) praising Democrats' recent legislative accomplishments and bipartisanship. According to the article, LaHood stated: "The first quarter was not so good, and that's why they're not looking so good in the polls, but this quarter is looking very good for them. They can send their members home crowing about their accomplishments, and they've done it in a bipartisan way, which is exactly what they promised to do." Nevertheless, various media outlets duly repeated this message without challenge over the next several days:

Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, has announced that Republicans will filibuster every “controversial measure.” They are making majority rule the exception rather than the routine in the Senate. Never has any party been so brazen or systematic in using the filibuster to block the majority

[Monster8V]

I'd be okay with an impeachment hearing. . . for the symbolism of it.


(the damage is done, ppl!)



Liberals are still trying to get payback for Clintons impeachment.
This is what you could call a..... last ditch effort.

[DTolo]

I don't think that could have been recent footage. Obama has been and is still in Europe isn't he?

Yes it is possible. Day time for Germany is many hours ahead of us, apx 9-10hrs. It only takes about 11hrs or so to fly directly from Germany to the East Coast US. (It took us 9hrs to get from March AFB to Ireland, non-stop).

The Live footage from Congress was at 11pm-ish EST time. There was plenty of time for Obama to make is speech in Germany (which I do believe was his last stop) and be back in time for whatever it was they were doing last night.

[Anonymous]

Liberals are still trying to get payback for Clintons impeachment.
This is what you could call a..... last ditch effort.

You told me once in another thread that, "I hate them all really, its just that my friend who sends me EVERYTHING funny is a conservative so all my material is right ringed propaganda." Seems to me that you don't really hate them all. It seems, from your political related posts, that you drink up the right wing propaganda and it heavily influences your opinions. Your posts are often verbatim Republican talking points.

Can you honestly compare what Clinton did to what Bush has done? Here are Kucinich's 35 articles of impeachment (http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoftruth.pdf). Can you tell me which ones you disagree with and why? Which ones are less harmful to the country and the constitution than what Clinton did?

[Anonymous]

Yes it is possible. Day time for Germany is many hours ahead of us, apx 9-10hrs. It only takes about 11hrs or so to fly directly from Germany to the East Coast US. (It took us 9hrs to get from March AFB to Ireland, non-stop).

The Live footage from Congress was at 11pm-ish EST time. There was plenty of time for Obama to make is speech in Germany (which I do believe was his last stop) and be back in time for whatever it was they were doing last night.

He is in Paris today.
Obama in Paris (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/25/obama.trip/index.html)

[creanium]

Yes it is possible. Day time for Germany is many hours ahead of us, apx 9-10hrs. It only takes about 11hrs or so to fly directly from Germany to the East Coast US. (It took us 9hrs to get from March AFB to Ireland, non-stop).

The Live footage from Congress was at 11pm-ish EST time. There was plenty of time for Obama to make is speech in Germany (which I do believe was his last stop) and be back in time for whatever it was they were doing last night.

He's still in Europe. He's meeting in Paris with the President of France today before going to Britain and then coming back to the US.

[Anonymous]

Also, Patrick Leahy is the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee?

[DTolo]

He is in Paris today.
Obama in Paris (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/25/obama.trip/index.html)

He's still in Europe. He's meeting in Paris with the President of France today before going to Britain and then coming back to the US.

huh.. Goddam CSPAN! It said LIVE, and for the 20min I was watching, it never flashed "previously recorded" or anything... And they sure showed him, Obama, up at top.

See what I get for trying to pay attention to their trickery?


Well, I was ATTEMPTING to be responsible for a little bit and trying to pay attention to what the hell was going on.

[Monster8V]

You told me once in another thread that, "I hate them all really, its just that my friend who sends me EVERYTHING funny is a conservative so all my material is right ringed propaganda." Seems to me that you don't really hate them all. It seems, from your political related posts, that you drink up the right wing propaganda and it heavily influences your opinions. Your posts are often verbatim Republican talking points.


I do hate them all. Both sides will say anything to get ellected and when actually in power, they drop the book that got them elected and open their book of hidden agendas and here we go, off to another pointless useless 4 years of wasteful bliss. I promise you that no matter who gets ellected this year, in 4 years we will have a new set of issues all self inflicted. NOBODY does whats best for this country. Thet ALL do whats best for their party or their pollitical career.

I have an opinion that typically relates closer to conservative values and not republican. I dont now or ever get the "talking points" memo from whomever your able to site as the source, from which ever source you choose to listen to. My opinion is one formed from the actions of the people in power now. I am not a student of he said she said and quotes. Im a student of actions and intent. If you want the liberal talking point, its easy. Just turn on any national news and listen to the first 15 minutes. They all say the same shit, verbatum.

I find it humorous that your so concerned with how and what I think.

Oh and I dissagree with all of his 35 weak ass charges. Were so far after the fact that even if they do (they wont) get an impeachment, what will it do for the country?? Not a damn thing. He has tried 6 times before to impeach. now they will give him a hearing so he will go away. Nothing more other than it MIGHT help Obama get ellected.

Tell me its not payback for Clinton?

[Anonymous]

If you want the liberal talking point, its easy. Just turn on any national news and listen to the first 15 minutes. They all say the same shit, verbatum.
The mythical liberal media. The media doesn't care about liberals. They care about money. They will tell you what they think will make them more money. Why did the liberal CBS edit (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/07/24/on_trail_game_of_gotcha_escalates/) McCain's answer in an interview with Katie Couric so as to make him not look like he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? Covering up McCain's errors help Democrats? I'll give you Keith Olbermann if you give me Fox news

Oh and I dissagree with all of his 35 weak ass charges. Were so far after the fact that even if they do (they wont) get an impeachment, what will it do for the country?? Not a damn thing. He has tried 6 times before to impeach. now they will give him a hearing so he will go away. Nothing more other than it MIGHT help Obama get ellected.

Tell me its not payback for Clinton?

Weak ass charges? What was Clinton's impeachment about? Lying about an affair. Yeah that's worse than these 35.
What will it do for the country? Restore the balance of power is a start.

Who's payback?

[EDM]

A little late, the damage is already done.

[mr_wrong]

A little late, the damage is already done.

Pretty much.

I don't agree with using the resources for a symbolic measure, and yes, maybe the dems have an ax to grind, but there are a couple positives:

GW has pretty much ruined the GOP brand for the next decade.

He will soon slink back to Crawford, never to be heard from again, and no one will care.

[mike]

I dunno about the GOP being ruined for the next decade, if they lose in November, yes, if McCain gets elected, the Democratic party should just disband. Not to mention the election is only THREE MONTHS AWAY and neither candidate has cemented in a running mate.

[mr_wrong]

I dunno about the GOP being ruined for the next decade, if they lose in November, yes, if McCain gets elected, the Democratic party should just disband. Not to mention the election is only THREE MONTHS AWAY and neither candidate has cemented in a running mate.

Even if McCain wins, the GOP brand is till ruined. The Dems will still gain seats in both houses, and hopefully, as pitiful as they are, they will grow a spine. First order of business- shit-can Pelosi.

At the very least you can forget about the "permanent GOP majority".

[lordoftheblings]

Everytime I see these posts I type out a long, word reply full of slanderous remarks towards both sides of our government. Then I take a step back and think to myself, why do I give a fuck to voice my opinion. If you follow one party line it's not like anything I say is going to sway you.

We all have these ridiculous beliefs (I say ridiculous because much like a 2nd appearance of jesus- none of these things will ever happen.) We can say this or that, but we have a puppet government for billionaire corporations making the real policy and direction we move in. Past and Present

See I've done it again. I typed something out thats essentially worthless fodder to a topic already littered with worthless fodder.

Now, why do I think he should have been impeached years ago? Not because im a liberal who wants revenge. Because Im a human being who's tired of his lies, this war and the pilfering of american resources by american companies being war profiteers. In simpler times that might have been considered a act of treason, but we dont live in simpler times.

Someones making all the money, someone else is doing all the dying and the rest of us are just trying to stay above the waterline.

It's time our 2 party political system be cast aside, it's proven itself to be utterly useless in the last 40 years.

Either Americans really are as dumb as everyone makes us out to be or we honestly deserve everything that comes to us for being blissfully ignorant to what out leaders are doing in the name of freedom, security and prosperity. they lead us to believe that security = prosperity and nothing could be further from the truth.