View Full Version : Installed: Water/Methanol Injection
mitssn
09-23-2005, 02:05 AM
I finally got the control unit and soleniod I needed to complete my water/methanol injection. I installed it tonight, tweaked the timing, and ran a bunch of logs with the VAG.
All I have to say is HOLY CRAP!! The car is a beast!
Basicaly I am running timing for what would be equivilent to about 98-99 octane on only 91 octane pump gas.
I dunno why more 1.8t guys don't do this. It is definetly worth the cost IMHO. I would think it's almost a must for you big turbo guys as well....
PM or IM me if you have any questions!!
Steve
I finally got the control unit and soleniod I needed to complete my water/methanol injection. I installed it tonight, tweaked the timing, and ran a bunch of logs with the VAG.
All I have to say is HOLY CRAP!! The car is a beast!
Basicaly I am running timing for what would be equivilent to about 98-99 octane on only 91 octane pump gas.
I dunno why more 1.8t guys don't do this. It is definetly worth the cost IMHO. I would think it's almost a must for you big turbo guys as well....
PM or IM me if you have any questions!!
Steve
You will like it alot I have been running my system for about 4 years now :tup:
Just dont run your tank dry!
stevehayes01
09-23-2005, 07:44 AM
Are you only using it as an intercooler sprayer or or you actually using it as an additional injection intake sprayer next to your throttle body?
bugzy
09-23-2005, 08:39 AM
topic moved to new forum ;)
mitssn
09-23-2005, 09:46 AM
Are you only using it as an intercooler sprayer or or you actually using it as an additional injection intake sprayer next to your throttle body?
It is injected directly in the air stream right before the throttle body....
stevehayes01
09-23-2005, 10:07 AM
So how about doing a write up on the install procedure and an equipment list that you used for this project? Plus any recomendations or reference material on the best setup for the system?
LAZY TURBO
09-23-2005, 10:21 AM
how much did it cost u?
FunkTron
09-23-2005, 11:44 AM
whats your sign?
WI is definitely a great way to fight crappy 91 california craptane. It's on my to do list. Glad you got good results with your setup.
FunkTron
09-23-2005, 11:57 AM
this thread is worthless without dyno specs.............. :D
I finally got the control unit and soleniod I needed to complete my water/methanol injection. I installed it tonight, tweaked the timing, and ran a bunch of logs with the VAG.
All I have to say is HOLY CRAP!! The car is a beast!
Basicaly I am running timing for what would be equivilent to about 98-99 octane on only 91 octane pump gas.
I dunno why more 1.8t guys don't do this. It is definetly worth the cost IMHO. I would think it's almost a must for you big turbo guys as well....
PM or IM me if you have any questions!!
Steve
why would a big turbo need it as much as a the smaller K03/K04? Just think about that for a second. Most people that run a BT have a fmic, plus a BT will have a lower IAT then a K03/K04 at the same boost level.
Best thing you could do to show the diff, is to do a vag log of your IAT's without and then with the system running.
sandiegobmx
09-23-2005, 09:18 PM
While KO3s start blowing hot air way sooner, I think running this, assuming what it did for Steve works for my setup, could make a massive power difference...even more of a difference than it would make on a stock turbo setup. I can't get about timing 2 on my sps3 without pulling more timing than I'd like... If I could run timing 4/5/6/7/whatever on 91 octane, I'd be psyched.
I'll have to get a ride in the car, Steve.
Jewel
09-23-2005, 10:59 PM
We had a Snow Performance kit on our old Ram diesel. It made an increase of about 60 hp, not to mention it ran very cool, even when towing about 15,000 lbs.
This was something I intended to do to the S4. Basically injecting straight into the TB, which (imho) would keep the car cool without even upgrading the IC's, not to mention the additional hp on top of the Stage III numbers!!!
I will implement a Snow system on the 20v Turbo engine once I get it a bit furhter along.
Spyders03
09-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Great to hear that it is workin wel for ya. Wish i could have installed it on my car, but problems persistant, i couldn't. can't wait to get it again and try it.
daygoVR6
10-04-2005, 04:02 PM
wonder what it would do on an N/A car at high RPM
SYNYSTAGLI
10-04-2005, 07:27 PM
this thread is worthless without dyno specs.............. :D
HA HA
slowjet
10-04-2005, 09:05 PM
So how about doing a write up on the install procedure and an equipment list that you used for this project? Plus any recomendations or reference material on the best setup for the system?
+ So what exactly did you get? The mechanical or electrical application?
ncttrnl
10-04-2005, 09:34 PM
So how about doing a write up on the install procedure and an equipment list that you used for this project? Plus any recomendations or reference material on the best setup for the system?
Agreed.
Water/Methanol injection is certainly not a new idea and it is pretty cool. I think people don't know about it because it takes a little bit of knowledge to install and can cost close to the price of a chip so most people just don't spring for it. I've been seeing alot more cars running it lately though. Seems like its catching on again.
slowjet
10-04-2005, 09:39 PM
I've actually seen just the water misters. I believe New Dimensions had it... but apparently not anymore. I'm a bit sketchy on using methonal on my engine. Would that leave any unwanted deposits on my block? Or maybe shorten the life span of certain parts?
mitssn
10-04-2005, 09:41 PM
It will NOT leave any deposits--It will actually leave your engine spotless
slowjet
10-04-2005, 10:03 PM
I would assume the only negative would be constantly keeping the tank full with the w/m mixture.
daygoVR6
10-05-2005, 12:05 AM
methanol will keep things very clean just using it as your actualy mean of fuel over regualr gasoline takes a hole bunch of science that im not about to get itno here not to mention a complete change of fuel delivery and ignition components .....the goverment is actually looking to gas-o-hol which is a mixture of gasoline and a small amount of alcohol/methanol mixed in for better emmissions and fuel economy, takes alot less raw materials to make since its mainly man made and it doesnt use up as much crude oil as refining takes to produce gasoline, diesel, ect ect ...all of that was suposed to happen under the bush adminstration...this is why i dont vote for people that get their funding for their politocial campaign thru big oil companies...ok my 2 cents im tired and have had enuff
Monster8V
10-05-2005, 07:12 AM
methanol will keep things very clean just using it as your actualy mean of fuel over regualr gasoline takes a hole bunch of science that im not about to get itno here not to mention a complete change of fuel delivery and ignition components .....the goverment is actually looking to gas-o-hol which is a mixture of gasoline and a small amount of alcohol/methanol mixed in for better emmissions and fuel economy, takes alot less raw materials to make since its mainly man made and it doesnt use up as much crude oil as refining takes to produce gasoline, diesel, ect ect ...all of that was suposed to happen under the bush adminstration...this is why i dont vote for people that get their funding for their politocial campaign thru big oil companies...ok my 2 cents im tired and have had enuff
Do some research, get your facts straight, then post. :tup:
stevehayes01
10-05-2005, 08:40 AM
Ok here is a good write up on setting up a Water/Alchohol injection system (http://www.dawesdevices.com/howto.html) on a budget.
This is a small excerpt on why this guy wrote this up........
Water/Alcohol Injection
"How-to" Page
I originally began this project to help someone with an early Chrysler T1 who did not want to go through the trouble of intercooling. The goals were to supress detonation at high boost (15-18psi), on pump gas, while spending as little money as possible. For details of how water injection does this, read the page that brought you here. This system is not soley designed as a means to increase fuel flow. At one time, I intended to offer this system in kit form. However, in keeping with the "budget" nature of this project, I can not use some of the better components that my customers expect. By providing this how-to page, I intend to clearly illustrate how you can duplicate this system yourself. Note that you may upgrade the components as you budget allows, to increase the durability of the system, but the "budget" model works just fine.
daygoVR6
10-05-2005, 09:15 AM
Do some research, get your facts straight, then post. :tup:
well seeing as how you are oh so knowledgable on this subject why dont you enlighten all of us
stevehayes01
10-05-2005, 09:25 AM
well seeing as how you are oh so knowledgable on this subject why dont you enlighten all of us
Uh oh I sense a battle here!!!
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well seeing as how you are oh so knowledgable on this subject why dont you enlighten all of us
wasn't it a complement with the :tup: ?
MikekiM
10-05-2005, 01:28 PM
Hm, no update on which kit you went with? or pics?
mitssn
10-05-2005, 01:32 PM
OK OK I'm just a busy man... I'll get some pics up soon. It's a SNOW performance "BoostCooler" kit that is boost controlled... http://www.snowperformance.net/proddetail.asp?prod=Auto020
stevehayes01
10-05-2005, 01:38 PM
Too bad this is so expensive otherwise it is a perfect SAAB application.
Boost Cooler® Stage-2 GM MAF
http://www.snowperformance.net/images/boost_cooler_stage2_gm_maf.gif Snow Performance has developed a new Stage-2 Boost Cooler™ water/methanol injection system for ’94 + GM mass air flow equipped vehicles that uses a new Digital Variable Controller that varies the quantity injected with the engines mass air flow. Because the correct amount is injected at all RPM/engine loads, power and drivability is much improved over the typical on-off systems. The Variable Controller features adjustments for onset mass air flow level and full quantity mass air flow level so the injection curve can be maximized for each application and can be mounted under hood or on the dash for adjustments while driving. The Digital Controller reads the frequency output from the GM MAF sensor to the PCM and varies the injection quantity accordingly.
Other Stage-2 features include a 140psi pump and specially designed two-chamber nozzles for even better cooling/atomization.
mitssn
10-05-2005, 02:28 PM
Get the boost controlled one though---
Monster8V
10-05-2005, 03:42 PM
well seeing as how you are oh so knowledgable on this subject why dont you enlighten all of us
Not my YOB!!http://forums.webrats.com/images/smilies/wiggle.gif
mitssn
10-29-2005, 03:27 PM
Dyno'd it today with and without the injection.
212WHP - 248 ft.lb. torque with the injction
198WHP - 235ft.lb. torque without injection
RavinJetta
10-29-2005, 03:50 PM
Pretty good gains.
Foomanchu
10-29-2005, 09:34 PM
Dyno'd it today with and without the injection.
212WHP - 248 ft.lb. torque with the injction
198WHP - 235ft.lb. torque without injection
Dyno graphs PLEASE! :) By chance did you do any logging on the dyno? I'd even be interested in seeing the logs you mentioned earlier....
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