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Agent Orange
10-26-2005, 08:07 AM
Anyone here ever had a shop do a VR6 swap into a MKII GTI/Jetta?? Who would you trust for a job like tha?? Looking to do it.
VW specialties more than likely
DTolo
10-26-2005, 08:56 AM
Does anybody know Marco? He works for VW tuner in Mexico or something like that but he lives in San Diego somewhere off the Balboa exit. Anyhow, he has a MKII Jetta with a VR6 swap approved by the DMV and all. If you can get a hold of him he should know.
mitssn
10-26-2005, 09:02 AM
Does anybody know Marco? He works for VW tuner in Mexico or something like that but he lives in San Diego somewhere off the Balboa exit. Anyhow, he has a MKII Jetta with a VR6 swap approved by the DMV and all. If you can get a hold of him he should know.
HAHA Yeah we know Marco.... He has Juans old MKII. He didn't do the swap, Juan did.
cynicalgeek
10-26-2005, 09:03 AM
HAHA Yeah we know Marco.... He has Juans old MKII. He didn't do the swap, Juan did.
Actually, the swap was already done when Juan bought it... But he did a lot of other work to it.
Marco and Juan used to be regulars on SCE.
Back on topic, if I was paying someone to do it, I would definitely go for VW Specialties.
Mr. Nobody
10-26-2005, 09:34 AM
VW Specialties is definitely good for the money. Also look at DRS at racesolutions.com, they just did a friend of mines A2 1.8t swap and it willl pass smog and be street legal in CA.
Vr swaps are not that hard and have been done for some time in the A2 chassis so either company should have no problem helping you get your stuff sorted out.
Agent Orange
10-26-2005, 09:37 AM
Just what the doctor ordered
QnA_GTi
10-26-2005, 10:18 AM
I did my "swap" in a weekend. The most time ,i think, went into swapping the wireharnes (sp?). I also did the corrado dash swap:D . All in all it took me ,with the help of two other guys, 4 saturdays. The swap isn't the hard part, its a direct bolt-on, its tying up all the odds and ends:tup:
Agent Orange
10-26-2005, 10:23 AM
Anyone have a feel for price range??
bugzy
10-26-2005, 10:32 AM
Actually, the swap was already done when Juan bought it... But he did a lot of other work to it.
Marco and Juan used to be regulars on SCE.
Back on topic, if I was paying someone to do it, I would definitely go for VW Specialties. Marco and Juan didnt do the swap.
Keywords about Marco, is "used to be regulars on SCE"
Shane with the 337 that works at City VW as a service writer is the original owner of the MK2 Jetta VR6. He maybe able to help, but I'm not sure. His brother Clint with the silver Caddy helped him im sure with the MK2 Jetta. He's around somewhere.
VW Specialty, Renner Motorsport, Race Solutions, DML, Monster8v, Tony Woods ... all are place's id recommend for this
PDVR6
10-26-2005, 10:34 AM
Anyone have a feel for price range??
It isnt cheap, vw specialties more then likely will send you to DRS because they do not have the time to undertake such a task. DRS is well known for doing quality swaps at a competitive price. This aint no cheap thing but if you want it done correctly go to dynamic.
PDVR6
10-26-2005, 10:36 AM
I did my "swap" in a weekend. The most time ,i think, went into swapping the wireharnes (sp?). I also did the corrado dash swap:D . All in all it took me ,with the help of two other guys, 4 saturdays. The swap isn't the hard part, its a direct bolt-on, its tying up all the odds and ends:tup:
It isnt necessarily a direct bolt on, once you get corrado peices will it be much more easier.
Agent Orange
10-26-2005, 10:42 AM
When I do it money will not be the problem. I figured it'd be a pretty penny but i want it done correctly.
SoCal_GLI
10-26-2005, 08:32 PM
When I do it money will not be the problem. I figured it'd be a pretty penny but i want it done correctly.
what year is the MkII?
if it is ce2 the wiring is plug and play and you could do the swap over one weekend, as long as you have everything you need. dont pay someone to do it, be a dubber and do it yourself, i'll help you if you want.
here's a link to help get an idea of what is involved and all the pats you need:
http://www.futrellautowerks.com/projects/89clvr6.htm
v2rocket
10-26-2005, 08:44 PM
on the topic of swaps whats makes it street legal or not afterwards just based on old and new engine specs like the visual...
i looked into this a couple years ago and i think it was about $6-$7k
Bierbau
10-27-2005, 01:05 AM
on the topic of swaps whats makes it street legal or not afterwards just based on old and new engine specs like the visual...
From what I understand you can legally swap a newer cars motor into and older car legally, for example a 96 GTI VR6 motor into a 91 jetta. Keep in mind you will have to have all of the emissions gear that came on the newer motor swaped into the car also, like the check engine light, engine management, oxygen sensors, the list goes on. I am not sure but I believe you will also need the emisions stickers that come on the radiator cover also for visual. When the car is smogged it should be tested as if it was 96 GTI VR6 and held to those standards.
XKROMX
10-27-2005, 02:44 AM
From what I understand you can legally swap a newer cars motor into and older car legally, for example a 96 GTI VR6 motor into a 91 jetta. Keep in mind you will have to have all of the emissions gear that came on the newer motor swaped into the car also, like the check engine light, engine management, oxygen sensors, the list goes on. I am not sure but I believe you will also need the emisions stickers that come on the radiator cover also for visual. When the car is smogged it should be tested as if it was 96 GTI VR6 and held to those standards.
:tup:
Agent Orange
10-27-2005, 08:14 AM
what year is the MkII?
if it is ce2 the wiring is plug and play and you could do the swap over one weekend, as long as you have everything you need. dont pay someone to do it, be a dubber and do it yourself, i'll help you if you want.
here's a link to help get an idea of what is involved and all the pats you need:
http://www.futrellautowerks.com/projects/89clvr6.htm
Its an '86 with the 1.8. Id do it myself if i had the time and all the stuff i needed. but i dont have either, so...:confused:
SoCal_GLI
10-27-2005, 09:47 AM
It's is gonna be a harder swap wiring wise since it is ce1.
you dont have weekends off? i can give you a hand if you want, it's not your daily driver im assuming, so if it took a couple weekends you would still be good to go.
why dump 7,000 into a motor swap when you can learn the ins and outs of it. afterall you will want to see what is involved considering if you are ever to need an alternator you will need to know what is involved with putting one on a MkII with a VR
I have done cams in a MK2 VR swap,the lower manifold bolts suck, I cant even imagine how horrid a water pump or alternator would be.......
Agent Orange
10-27-2005, 10:25 AM
It's is gonna be a harder swap wiring wise since it is ce1.
you dont have weekends off? i can give you a hand if you want, it's not your daily driver im assuming, so if it took a couple weekends you would still be good to go.
why dump 7,000 into a motor swap when you can learn the ins and outs of it. afterall you will want to see what is involved considering if you are ever to need an alternator you will need to know what is involved with putting one on a MkII with a VR
No, its my fiance's car. and she has an accord for her daily driver if we take the gti out of comission for a little while. she needs more power, more torque. considering other swaps too though. Prefer VR6 because of the sound of the 12V and the brute force those things have.
PDVR6
10-27-2005, 12:08 PM
Call Dynamic Racing Solutions, visit racesolutions.com
v2rocket
10-27-2005, 05:04 PM
From what I understand you can legally swap a newer cars motor into and older car legally, for example a 96 GTI VR6 motor into a 91 jetta. Keep in mind you will have to have all of the emissions gear that came on the newer motor swaped into the car also, like the check engine light, engine management, oxygen sensors, the list goes on. I am not sure but I believe you will also need the emisions stickers that come on the radiator cover also for visual. When the car is smogged it should be tested as if it was 96 GTI VR6 and held to those standards.
so basically swapping a 95 obd I m3 enigne into my 94 325is can be done.....or an obdII 3.2L m3 engine for that matter but ill also be looking a ALOT of cash to fork over....
Bierbau
10-27-2005, 11:21 PM
so basically swapping a 95 obd I m3 enigne into my 94 325is can be done.....or an obdII 3.2L m3 engine for that matter but ill also be looking a ALOT of cash to fork over....
I would just buy a 95 M3 and be done with it.
DimensioN
10-28-2005, 01:54 AM
so basically swapping a 95 obd I m3 enigne into my 94 325is can be done.....or an obdII 3.2L m3 engine for that matter but ill also be looking a ALOT of cash to fork over....
just find a VR for cheap like at a junkyard or a wrecked MKIII for about $2500 for low miles and wire harness/tranny/ECU and If I remember correctly renner said they would do the swap for about $2000-$2500.
PDVR6
10-28-2005, 04:05 AM
just find a VR for cheap like at a junkyard or a wrecked MKIII for about $2500 for low miles and wire harness/tranny/ECU and If I remember correctly renner said they would do the swap for about $2000-$2500.
Yea, like i said... If money isnt a problem and you want qaulity work done, go to racesolutions.com
SoCal_GLI
10-28-2005, 06:12 AM
Yea, like i said... If money isnt a problem and you want qaulity work done, go to racesolutions.com
i'll agree with this, i just hate seeing people paying for something they can do themselves
DieGTi
10-30-2005, 10:58 AM
Amen to the diy'ers. They aren't hard or necessarily time consuming as long as you don't skimp on the proper parts and can read wiring diagrams. I've done 8 and have finish up work on another 3. I prefer having the owner there learning while the swap is being done so they have a better understanding of the nature of the work and can learn about cars in general.
Very important note- don't simply buy the first donor car you see for $1500 or whatever. The last swap I did for someone else was one of those deals where the owner went and bought the donor 2 states away without having someone with vr6 knowledge to help. He ended up with an engine that leaked oil out of every gasket/seal, had noise from the timing chain tensioners, very low compression from toasted rings, a grumbly alternator bearing, slipping clutch etc etc. By the time everything on the engine was straightened out he had another $1000 in parts alone he didn't plan on. Find a well maintained donor and you'll be ahead of the game. The CE1 deal will only cost you an hour of wiring over CE2. They are fun when they are done right.
v2rocket
10-30-2005, 11:42 AM
I would just buy a 95 M3 and be done with it.
then ill get shafted with insurance costs:(
Agent Orange
10-31-2005, 09:37 AM
If i could get a hold of a donor ill do it myself. I work at a vw dealer so parts and special tools and advice is everywhere. Just need the VR to get started
M.J.M.
11-08-2005, 11:55 PM
VW specialties more than likely
Highly recommened! :cool:
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