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[madajb]

You guys didn't like anything this time, did you?

-ajb

[PDVR6]

79 and 80, but oh well.

[paultakeda]

I said yes to 79, but to keep it simple I was telling anyone I met to just do NO across the board.

Best election results I've seen in years -- especially 73, which was close.



Just noticed mad's tag -- so you just celebrating Guy Fawkes or looking forward to V in the spring?

[MikekiM]

You expected less from the left coast?

[ncttrnl]

Just noticed mad's tag -- so you just celebrating Guy Fawkes or looking forward to V in the spring?


Hehe... I was just about to say I just noticed it too. Wonder when he put that in?

I didn't even notice, did google update the search for it?

[GTiGirl]

I said yes to 79, but to keep it simple I was telling anyone I met to just do NO across the board.

Best election results I've seen in years -- especially 73, which was close.




I was on the fence about 79... but went with No. I couldn't help but think about the interests that were really being served if that one passed.

73 was way too close for comfort. If that one passed, I think that we'd start slipping down the slope to consent for minors, then waiting periods for adults, etc. Chipping away at Roe... *sigh*

[PWRPUFF]

All had some aspect that sucked, so I voted no on all 8.

-- Kane

[PDVR6]

I was on the fence about 79... but went with No. I couldn't help but think about the interests that were really being served if that one passed.



What would really be served if it had passed?

[GTiGirl]

What would really be served if it had passed?
In a guise to help those who need it, the government would simply be contracting to pharmaceutical companies and creating a more drug dependent public!!!

[madajb]

I said yes to 79, but to keep it simple I was telling anyone I met to just do NO across the board.

Had I been in Cal, I would have gone:
73. Yes
74. No - The schools need bigger reform than this. Bandaids are a waste of money.
75. No - As much as I loathe unions, this "fixes" a problem that is already fixed.
76. No - Why not just a straight budget cap, this proposal is a simple power grab.
77. No - But so damn close, why'd they have to tack voter approval onto it?
78. No - Just get a volume discount like every other health plan.
79. No - More of the same, just different numbers. See 78.
80. No - I was just confused by this one. It just seemed muddled and confused.


Just noticed mad's tag -- so you just celebrating Guy Fawkes or looking forward to V in the spring?
Celebrating Guy Fawkes, though it was a little wet to have a bonfire up here.

-ajb

[madajb]

Hehe... I was just about to say I just noticed it too. Wonder when he put that in?
I didn't even notice, did google update the search for it?

On the fifth.

-ajb

[GTiGirl]

Rob's aunt called on Sunday and asked if we went to see fireworks on Saturday night... I was like, "What?" so Rob explained it to me. Sounds like a great tradition!

[madajb]

Rob's aunt called on Sunday and asked if we went to see fireworks on Saturday night... I was like, "What?" so Rob explained it to me. Sounds like a great tradition!

It's a lot of fun.
It was probably especially big this year, since it was an even number (400 years).
They used to burn effigies as well as have fireworks when I was a kid, but that's probably not very PC these days.
And as TheWife said, who else but the British would turn treason and a public execution into a national holiday?
heh.

-ajb

[paultakeda]

73, yes?

Why?

It doesn't stop the abortion, it just makes the doctor a tattler. Of course, it maybe allows parents to abduct their child before the end of the 48 hour wait period and prevent her from having an abortion. Or have minors who don't want to tell their parents go ahead and seek other "alternatives" to abort.

But what it does do is include a definition for abortion in the state constitution that introduces a very, very slippery slope.

Regardless, it got voted down.

74 - Can you think of any sane, intelligent person who would become a teacher if they knew they would be fired without cause for the next five years? I agree that a more expedient way of dealing with bad teachers with tenure was needed, but saddling that with the five year probation pretty much killed this one for me. Had it been simply about expediting dismissal investigations for tenured teachers, I'd've voted yes.

75 - If campaign financing can accept cash from private corporations whose minority shareholders have no say in who gets the money, then why should unions? Were the proposition to include this detail (and therefore include the GOP's fundraising base as well as the Dems'), I'd've voted yes.

76 - Exactly as mad said... a power grab. Flat out no.

77. I would rather see redistricting in a public forum than three old, white men in a private chamber.

78. A rebate plan funded by DrugCo? That's like, a joke, right? Who in their right mind would think this will benefit the consumer!?

79. I voted yes, but I nearly voted no. I'd rather some crazy "left coast" plan to make a statewide universal healthcare program, since the feds don't seem to want to go forward on something that obvious. (Universal healthcare does not mean the loss of privatized healthcare -- it means there is basic healthcare available to all, and if you're a big shot, you can go ahead and pay a private one for more options)

80. Confusing, indeed. If it's that confused as a proposition....

[madajb]

73, yes?

Why?

Because I don't believe a minor should have any sort of medical procedure without parental consent.

But what it does do is include a definition for abortion in the state constitution that introduces a very, very slippery slope.
"For the purposes of this section".

-ajb

[Ghostdog]

Why bother voting, if a ass clown like Bush can get elected for 2 terms..somethings got to be wrong cause he didnt win either time in reality..

[paultakeda]

Because I don't believe a minor should have any sort of medical procedure without parental consent.

-ajb


73 had nothing to do with parental consent. 73 basically forces the doctor to tell the parents/guardians, then wait 48 hours, under which time the minor is then subjected to parental pressure.

I need to find the statistics quote, but I seem to recall that around 4 out of 5 minors already told their parents prior to having an abortion. We are dealing with a very small group of young women who very likely have a good reason not to tell their parents.

Besides, having a constitutional law forcing a doctor to break patient/doctor privilege is just bunk.

[paultakeda]

Why bother voting, if a ass clown like Bush can get elected for 2 terms..somethings got to be wrong cause he didnt win either time in reality..

Ah, apathy.

How about this: people bothered to vote during a special election where voter turnout was expected to be low and only of those who would come out to vote yes. Apparently, enough people bothered to vote that every single one of those propositions was voted down.

That's why you bother to vote.

[madajb]

74 - Can you think of any sane, intelligent person who would become a teacher if they knew they would be fired without cause for the next five years?

It's a symptom of the screwy funding system you guys have.
Funding needs to be returned to local control, then school boards can set whatever policies they want for firing teachers.
The state need not be involved.

75 - If campaign financing can accept cash from private corporations whose minority shareholders have no say in who gets the money, then why should unions?

Campaign funding should be limited only to individuals.
Contributions by unions and/or companies is flat out bribery.

77. I would rather see redistricting in a public forum than three old, white men in a private chamber.

Then you get the same "safe districts" that have plagued the California legislature for decades. I'd vote for picking 9 random people from the phone book, even.

79. I voted yes, but I nearly voted no.

Ugh. Mandating drug prices by law?
And profiteering? Who gets to decide what an "unconscionable price" is?
You want better drug prices? Negotiate them with the drug companies like every private health plan has to do or stop buying them.

-ajb

[madajb]

73 had nothing to do with parental consent. 73 basically forces the doctor to tell the parents/guardians, then wait 48 hours, under which time the minor is then subjected to parental pressure.

It's a step in the right direction.
I'd rather a law that required parental consent, but I'll take what I can get.


Besides, having a constitutional law forcing a doctor to break patient/doctor privilege is just bunk.
No such thing when it comes to a minor as far as I'm concerned.

-ajb

[paultakeda]

It's a symptom of the screwy funding system you guys have.
Funding needs to be returned to local control, then school boards can set whatever policies they want for firing teachers.
The state need not be involved.


Sure. Can we repeal Prop 13, too? You know, the cap on property taxes that has forced cities to gut themselves and fill it with strip malls because it's just about the only way to get revenue?

I can dream, can't I?


Campaign funding should be limited only to individuals.
Contributions by unions and/or companies is flat out bribery.


Agreed. But a proposition that addressed both union and private corp donations would have been a start. This one was just plain party politics of the worst kind (I'd've voted no on a proposition that only addressed private corporations, for those of you who think I'm a liberal).


Then you get the same "safe districts" that have plagued the California legislature for decades. I'd vote for picking 9 random people from the phone book, even.


Something needs to be done, but this proposition was not it. There's supposed to be a new plan proposed next year -- we'll see.


Ugh. Mandating drug prices by law?
And profiteering? Who gets to decide what an "unconscionable price" is?
You want better drug prices? Negotiate them with the drug companies like every private health plan has to do or stop buying them.


I felt it might be a good bargaining chip if used responsibly. I guess the responsible part was wishful thinking on my part.

[paultakeda]

It's a step in the right direction.
I'd rather a law that required parental consent, but I'll take what I can get.
No such thing when it comes to a minor as far as I'm concerned.

-ajb

If the young woman's old enough to get pregnant, then she's old enough to decide if she wants it, regardless of the definition of minor in this state.

[madajb]

Sure. Can we repeal Prop 13, too? You know, the cap on property taxes that has forced cities to gut themselves and fill it with strip malls because it's just about the only way to get revenue?

I'd be ok with that, but I'd need to see some sort of limit on property taxes.
Otherwise you get the situation my parents are in in NY, where their taxes went up 14% last year and close to 17% the year before.
That's unsustainable.

Agreed. But a proposition that addressed both union and private corp donations would have been a start.

I'd be ok with that.

Something needs to be done, but this proposition was not it. There's supposed to be a new plan proposed next year -- we'll see.

Heh, I wouldn't hold out much hope.

-ajb

[madajb]

If the young woman's old enough to get pregnant, then she's old enough to decide if she wants it, regardless of the definition of minor in this state.
As a matter of philosophy, I agree with you.
As a matter of law, I don't.

-ajb

[mario]

i voted nay on all propositions except the prescription ones (i just didn't vote on those) simply because i didn't do any research on either of them...

why? because i didn't agree with any of them....especially 73....

[Troike]

I was going to vote, but then realized it would cost me a stamp to mail in my ballot. I'm not paying to vote for a state I'll never live in again :p

But for the record, I am pro-killing-of-babies.